The root of all man's modern problems

[Jackal1]

Just clarifying--god doesn't want us to burn plants and inhale the smoke?

That`s right. Klinton said he never inhaled. Next question.

[Neubob]

That`s right. Klinton said he never inhaled. Next question.

Thanks for the levity Jackal. More often than not, your responses tend to have a calming effect on my blood pressure.

[indy007]

Saliva tests are far more accurate for determining whether a person is "high" or not.

I passed a saliva test before. 6 hours after smoking several bowls.

Passed with flying colors, while still pretty high.

That test doesn't work very well.

[Shuffler]

The problem is Socialism.  That is people believing they have a right to tell other people what to do with their lives, and their money.

Your absolutely right. The government should not tell you what to do with your life or money as long as you follow a few basic rules. Along with the government butting out they should not provide food or a roof over the head of folks who lose all their funds or damage their livelyhood. Let nature take its course.

[Elfie]

I passed a saliva test before. 6 hours after smoking several bowls.

Passed with flying colors, while still pretty high.

That test doesn't work very well.

The window of detection varies widely with the various saliva tests. The very best one has a window of 24 hours, I think the worst one has a window of only 3 or 4 hours.

[Elfie]

I think Rome's problems were because they had egomaniacal fools for leaders. We're already there.

I want to laugh at this one, really I do......I just can't though. 

[indy007]

The window of detection varies widely with the various saliva tests. The very best one has a window of 24 hours, I think the worst one has a window of only 3 or 4 hours.

Never turn up at work on your day off.  The brand's literature said 24 hour detection. Quite a few people got fired. Metabolism helps on those tests I think.

[bongaroo]

No, it is instead a matter of morality.

These are immoral activities that violate God's laws.  Anyone who engages in them, thus risks damnation for all of eternity.

Just look at what happened to the corrupt society of the Roman Empire.  Do you want that to happen to the USA too??

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This being the only person against smoking so far we'll try to get a discussion out of this.

I did believe in God, but for the past few years my faith has been changed in perspective and I'm not quite sure what I believe anymore.  So let's go a step further.  Let's say I don't believe in any God.  What does it matter if I violate his laws?

Also, could you point out in the Bible where it says I will burn in hell for smoking weed?  Did you know that marijuana was most likely used in many Jewish and early Christian rituals?  I think it was used as an ingredient in an annointing oil or some such; I'll have to go dig up the link but I saw this in an article not too long ago.

Are you sure the Roman empire didn't fall apart because they were all going crazy with lead poisioning from their lead water/wine pots?

[bongaroo]

When I saw "root of all problems" and the author, I just knew the thread had to involve marijuana even before I clicked on it.

Just as predictable was laser's blaming all the worlds’ ills on socialism.

No surprises in the O'Club today. 

<Sigh>

So did you read what I asked?  Would you care to contribute to our discourse?  Or just be a griefer?

[bongaroo]

I was going to say that, Bob, but didn't want to press my luck too much.

These are supposed to be government websites so take it as you wish.  Can't find anything really comparing which is worse, rather they say it's about the same due to the effects of marijuana being similar to those of alcohol.   http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/MarijParentsN.html
 http://www.mediacampaign.org/steerclear/parent_tips.html

Those are both from a Dept. of Health and Human Services website http://family.samhsa.gov/teach/driving.aspx

Grain of salt...

Last serial post, I promise!  I just didn't get a chance to respond till we hit 3 pages!

I have also read a report that talking on a cell phone while driving is just as bad as driving with an illegal blood alcahol content!  Why haven't we started a war on the Talk Drivers?  Link: http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=062206-1

[lazs2]

all drugs should be legal and cheap... only a small percent of the people will become addicts or even use recreationaly if...

The penalties for being loaded when you shouldn't be remain..  I won't work beside someone who is loaded...  I don't want to share the road with him.  employers should be allowed to drug test employees and fire the worthless ahole if they are found to be loaded.. 

I also do not want to pay for the "war on drugs" and do not want it to become some new high tax sin.. a lb of heroin should cost what it takes to produce plus normal sales tax..  maybe $50 a pound...  let the any adult who wants..  kill himself on it or just ruin his life..   

people on welfare and unemployment should be drug tested regularly and cut off if found to be using.

getting druggies to accept responsibility for their actions is asking a bit much tho so.... we would probly have the prisons just as full up with their worthless carcases.

lazs

[rpm]

Well said Lazs. I think if they legalize, there would be far fewer people to lock up and therefore lower incarceration costs. It's a win/win.

[bongaroo]

Interestingly enough, most of the reasons that marijuana is currently illegal stem from the fact that it is illegal.  The black market for it creates attracts the criminal element. 

[ChickenHawk]

So did you read what I asked?  Would you care to contribute to our discourse?  Or just be a griefer?

It had been a while since I was griefer and I was feeling a little spunky yesterday.  Please don't take it personally. 

I think Sig220 is a little misguided in his zealousness.  The Bible does not say partaking of marijuana is a sin.  In fact, since it's an herb some in fact take Genesis 1:29 as permission to consume it:

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

But the Bible also states that you should obey the law of your country as long as it doesn't interfere with God's laws.

I've worked with quite a few people who would come to work "baked" and I would have to work twice as hard and do most of their job for them to get things done.  I was also put in danger by these same persons on several occasions and I'd just as soon not have to put up with that kind of behavior ever again.

As long as it's the law, I will thank you to keep away from me while you indulge.  If you want to lobby for a change in that law, knock yourself out.

[bongaroo]

aye, people who cannot control themselves are terrible to work with.  I almost lost a limb due to an alcoholic coworker.

I do work to help educate people who have bought into the DEA's propaganda, its tough work not having milliions to budget to commercials to combat the misinformation they give though.