Under God in pledge of allegiance.

[Tango]

Spoken by the Father of our country. Who states we should acknowledge God.

[Chairboy]

Well goodness, it seems to have slipped his mind when he was crafting the actual nation itself.  What are the odds?

C'mon, as far as stretches go, this is pretty bad.  Yes, George Washington said that, as part of the Thanksgiving Proclamation.  But if you can't discern the difference between what someone writes into the source code of the country versus a written proclamation years later, jeepers, that'll inhibit communication here for sure.

[SkyRock]

Spoken by the Father of our country. Who states we should acknowledge God.

A person acknowleging god is exactly what this country was formed for, the right to do so.  Note that Washington did not put the word God on our money.  Faith should be a personal matter and not something the government should be involved in.

[Hap]

Our ancestors were better and wiser than we.

[SirLoin]

Our ancestors were better and wiser than we.

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Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson.

Need another "Thomas For Pres!" run.

First name only..don't want another "Clarance"

[Tango]

Well goodness, it seems to have slipped his mind when he was crafting the actual nation itself.  What are the odds?

C'mon, as far as stretches go, this is pretty bad.  Yes, George Washington said that, as part of the Thanksgiving Proclamation.  But if you can't discern the difference between what someone writes into the source code of the country versus a written proclamation years later, jeepers, that'll inhibit communication here for sure.

So tell me where in the Constitution idoes it says anything about separation of church and state?

[Hap]

Tango, that phrase doesn't appear though it does in a letter that Jefferson authored.

My take is the Fathers didn't want our government to establish a national religion.

So much has changed.  What I mean by that is if the Founders were banging away on a keyboard on the O'Club forum with their own ideas and beliefs in tact, they'd be criticized for their views by many.  The webitarians would go blue in the face.  The webocrats blue in the face.  The webublicans blue in the face.

I like the founders a lot better than I like us.

[Tango]

Tango, that phrase doesn't appear though it does in a letter that Jefferson authored.

Yes and Washington's proclamation making Thanksgiving a national holiday and recognizing God. Lets not also forget he was one of the founders of this nation.

[MORAY37]

Yes and Washington's proclamation making Thanksgiving a national holiday and recognizing God. Lets not also forget he was one of the founders of this nation.

Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11.

   Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

[AKIron]

I think the treaty of Tripoli has been violated to point of rendering it void many times over.

[Tango]

Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11.

Thats not the Constitution.

[Chairboy]

Say, Tango, weren't you just holding up the Thanksgiving Declaration a minute ago as evidence to support your case?  It's the darndest thing, then someone cites Jefferson's writings and suddenly it's "That's not the Constitution".  Don't let that whole 'double standard' thing get in your way, of course. 

[AKIron]

Wow, just noticed I'm approaching 10,000 on the post potato meter. 1 closer now. Oh, yeah, keep God in the pledge.

[Tango]

I just showed how the first President of this country and one of the founding Fathers supported acknowledging God. However, you and all the other Libs keep saying theres no reason to and one of the biggest reasons not to is "separation of church and state" which is not in the Constitution.

As for the Treaty, that was with a Muslim nation. It has nothing to do with the citizens of this country. It was a treaty in which the government paid tribute to pirates to get them to leave our ships alone and I'm sure article 11 was put in to appease them even more than the money they were paying them to not attack or ships.

[SirLoin]

However, you and all the other Libs keep saying theres no reason to and one of the biggest reasons not to is "separation of church and state" which is not in the Constitution.

I just finished reading "Thomas Jefferson:Author of America" by Christophr Hitchens..What does the First ammendment say then?(or how do you interpret it?)