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[Guppy35]

I honestly don't know why people that play a PvP centric game such as this are so unwilling to fight.  They might as well play MS FlightSim, it's cheaper and you can fly all day long and enjoy the pretty scenery.


ack-ack

For a time tonite there was a good brawl going in Blue in FT or whatever you want to call that spot where there are three bases, one for each country.

There were guys hanging high in the speed burners waiting to pick, but there were more down there just mixing it up.  While there were the usual 16s, N1Ks and La7s, there were also Jugs, an occasional P40, some guy in an A20 and lots of 38s.  There is nothing more fun then driving into one of those fights on the deck and having at it. 

On one run in, some guy on local asked why Lazer and I were going in so low.  I thought if I have to explain it, you won't get it anyway

I don't live very often in that big target of a 38G but the challenge of trying to out turn and out think those guys in the more uber birds is great fun. I don't think there is a better way to improve your SA then that too and to find the limits of the bird you like to fly.

And uptown, there are lots of guys willing to help folks learn how to 'fly' better.  I'd suggest you spend some time around them.  I'd also suggest you forget about "living", and dive in and learn for a bit.  You'd be surprised how much better you can get that way.  And it's a heckuva lot more fun then hanging up there waiting for the perfect no risk moment.  Since there is no real risk, and no one really dies, you might as well get in there and fight

[uptown]

OK, I'll admit defeat here. I'll be in the TA this afternoon after work Widewing. I'll see you there.
I go to netaces several times a week, as well as sodas' and donzos' sites because I truely do try to use acm when I engage in a fight. I have seen several films mostly of Murdr in the 38 and have learned a few things over time. I don't mean to do a disservice to any of the trainers because I have learned things from them in an undirect fashion..I.E. netaces and the training threads.
So, with that being said, I reckon callsign Uptown is going back into training and I will not rest until I have Skyrocks and Lazors bloody pelts hanging from my P40 windscreen

[Rolex]

With that attitude, you're at least half way to reaching your goal.

[SkyRock]

OK, I'll admit defeat here. I'll be in the TA this afternoon after work Widewing. I'll see you there.
I go to netaces several times a week, as well as sodas' and donzos' sites because I truely do try to use acm when I engage in a fight. I have seen several films mostly of Murdr in the 38 and have learned a few things over time. I don't mean to do a disservice to any of the trainers because I have learned things from them in an undirect fashion..I.E. netaces and the training threads.
So, with that being said, I reckon callsign Uptown is going back into training and I will not rest until I have Skyrocks and Lazors bloody pelts hanging from my P40 windscreen

[SkyRock]

OK, I'll admit defeat here. I'll be in the TA this afternoon after work Widewing. I'll see you there.
I go to netaces several times a week, as well as sodas' and donzos' sites because I truely do try to use acm when I engage in a fight. I have seen several films mostly of Murdr in the 38 and have learned a few things over time. I don't mean to do a disservice to any of the trainers because I have learned things from them in an undirect fashion..I.E. netaces and the training threads.
So, with that being said, I reckon callsign Uptown is going back into training and I will not rest until I have Skyrocks and Lazors bloody pelts hanging from my P40 windscreen

[Xargos]

Uptown, I think you'd really enjoy the DA if you found the right people to fly with.  Furball lake isn't what I'm talking about either.

[Shuffler]

OK, I'll admit defeat here. I'll be in the TA this afternoon after work Widewing. I'll see you there.
I go to netaces several times a week, as well as sodas' and donzos' sites because I truely do try to use acm when I engage in a fight. I have seen several films mostly of Murdr in the 38 and have learned a few things over time. I don't mean to do a disservice to any of the trainers because I have learned things from them in an undirect fashion..I.E. netaces and the training threads.
So, with that being said, I reckon callsign Uptown is going back into training and I will not rest until I have Skyrocks and Lazors bloody pelts hanging from my P40 windscreen

Your not defeated.....  your taking your first step at seriously learning. No one here is wanting to diss you in any way. Most are just defending what they know or feel to be fact. Good luck on your endeavor. Don't forget to have FUN!!! 

[bongaroo]

enough touchy feely stuff, can't we get back to whining about OPHA's?

 

[daddog]

Lets get something straight right now! First of all the trainers in the TA don't train. Sure they can tell me what key to hit for range or squad channel, what planes are the fastest or best turners..etc. But ask them about some advanced fighter tactics with a 38 or something along those lines and all I get is.....ah...well... you need to talk to so in so about that.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the trainers have been a HUGE service to my squad and many of the members of the 332nd Flying Mongrels. Not long ago they even had a training session just for my squad and are more than willing to do it again. 

As far as I know no one has cut them a check for their time and services.

[Simaril]

I'm greatly in debt to the trainers -- Murdr, Widewing, Hammer in particular. I've also had great sessions with Badboy and TC. Lastly, the training films put together by Batfink, Badboy, and TC were absolutely perfect for my learning style...wish there were more of them! Without what all these guys have taught me, I'd probably have given up on the game long ago. I don't believe I'm a fearsome stick by any means, but without those guys' dedicated contributions I would be hopelessly outmatched every time I fight.

But -- for whatever reason I'm really, really bad at making myself go in for training. Every time I've wanted to start a "program" of practice, something inside of me just dreads going into the process. Maybe its that it feels like school, or that my innards get restless when I die and die and die to the trainer, or that the practice work isn't going to have enough fun to be relaxing. After all, AH is recreation for me, usually when I'm tired out from a day of work.

So here are some alternate ways I've found to get the training and skill advancement you're talking about.

1. Reviewing films off line is great, especially when done over and over from different perspectives each time. Gotta make sure you watch "actively", thinking and imagining while the film plays. Watch the fight from inside the cockpit with original views on. See what the guy was seeing, and guess what he was thinking, how he prioritizes the opportunities and threats. Then watch from outside with paths on, and try to see what classic BFM moves are being used. Go back inside, and watch key parts in slow motion. Go to real time, and watch one aspect only -- like throttle management.

2. Talk to people when you die Can't recommend this one enough, though it only really applies when you run into a respected player. Send a PM with a <S>, and ask where you went wrong. Sometimes you'll get real pearls of wisdom, or guys may open up whole areas for you to work on. (SlapShot did this for me a couple years ago after repeated furball deaths to him and some other BKs off a carrier. I was amazed that he kept getting inside me on loops and turns, so he asked how much I adjusted the throttle in a fight....new concepts!)

3. Specifically go to "good guys" with specific problems. Not that long ago I got really frustrated with how easily I was stalling, at the worst times of a fight. I wasn't exactly sure what was going on, so I mentioned the problem I was having to Batfink. We set up a time to duel, but by the time we met he had thought about it and was betting I wasn't paying enough attention to my angle of attack and the buffet cues. He was right, and from then on I've known what I was doing wrong when it happened, and I could work on it myself.

[crockett]

i got tired of run run run hug & gang in MA last so i decided to try MW. well what a joke... run run run ack hug.

needles to say i logged for the nite after 1 sorty there.

it seems even in my 110c that attracts fighters like a magnet usually, i have trouble finding anything to actually fight lately. either its run to drop ord or run to the group/horde. i wasted a tank of gas flying 5-10 out from enemy base with dar up... high ponies doras u name it none willing to stay out with me. after 1st contact they run strait back over base hoping i am as most single attacker ...dumb enought to fly into gang. pretty pathetic seeing a HUGE dar bar that never moves & 1-2 newbs that keep flying into that air space dive to drop  ord & get dropped over & over incouraging such behavior. shouldnt the larger force be attacking?

anyways i too agree nothin but spineless runners & ponie @ top of list

Yea, I tried the MW/EW a while back and found the same.. It's all about the land grabs..  I was hoping something would come out of the newer AvA arena, however they made yet another arena..once again..all about the land grab. Pretty much the only place to find actual fights are in the Da.. However even there you deal with the same MA crap. Typically if it's under 20 players it's not too bad, but get over 20 and it's nothing more than a mini MA..

For the most part it seems most of the players in this game are only worried about the and grab.

[E25280]

I honestly don't know why people that play a PvP centric game such as this are so unwilling to fight.  They might as well play MS FlightSim, it's cheaper and you can fly all day long and enjoy the pretty scenery.


ack-ack

You know, I originally passed off this thread as either a mild whine or altered perception or something, since I never seem to have any trouble finding someone to shoot me down.

Then two nights ago I found myself near an enemy vbase with a red LA-7.  He tried for a HO that I wouldn't give him, I looped up and over, and he simply dropped to the deck and ran.  Well, my N1K wasn't going to catch him, so instead of following I kept my altitude (7K iirc).  As I watch him climb back up, from the other direction came two more LAs, one co-alt, one a bit higher.  I'm thinking I am dead meat . . . but, long story short, the original LA-7 and one other made one front-quarter pass each, the third would not come to within 2.5K.  When they missed, they both dove and ran toward the Vbase.  They didn't return!  I hadn't even fired at any of them!

I was alone -- no other friendlies were close (kept checking to see if I had cavalry coming -- I didn't).  Why they didn't just engage and destroy me is beyond my reasoning abilities.  Three LAs just passed up an easy kill.

Strange times.

[RATTFINK]

Lets get something straight right now! First of all the trainers in the TA don't train. Sure they can tell me what key to hit for range or squad channel, what planes are the fastest or best turners..etc. But ask them about some advanced fighter tactics with a 38 or something along those lines and all I get is.....ah...well... you need to talk to so in so about that.
I've been in this game for 3 years I guess, and everything I know, I've had to pretty much teach myself. And all in all I hold my own pretty good most of the time. I don't fly with a wingman, and I don't fly around in a spit hangin' with the horde. So with that being said, I've adjusted my tactics to depend on me and only me! I've got on the 6 of several sticks I'd consider more talented than myself, only to be picked by their squadie diving in from 15k. Sure I could fly in a pack like you do, but that ain't my style.
If you're so good and "own" everybody, put your money where your mouth is , and you go to the TA and start training us "noobs"!
You uber boys get on this BBS and run your mouths how the game sucks now and everyone hos and runs. But I have yet to see ANY of you in the TA teaching guys anything! For 3 years I've watched you,lazer,bipolar,shawk,adonai,vanscrew..etc.. run your mouths about how you're all gods gift to aceshigh, but not once have i seen ANY of you in the TA!

Which game are you playing???

All I have received and have heard from other players is how much the trainers have helped.