General Idea to try...

[Saurdaukar]

You are trying to solve something that you perceive as a problem, that you have not shown to be a problem.

He identified it as a "general complaint."  A quick BBS search would validate this assessment as accurate based purely on the number of results.

You are correct that changing the score system has an effect on game play, but not that your choice of game play would be better.

Depends on the reader.  See above comment.  Plenty would call it "better," by default.

[Masherbrum]

He identified it as a "general complaint."  A quick BBS search would validate this assessment as accurate based purely on the number of results.

Depends on the reader.  See above comment.  Plenty would call it "better," by default.

[Jackal1]

Play the game the way that you get enjoyment from and let others do the same.
The only real arguments revolve around one group not playing as the other group does.
It has nothing to do with the game itself.

[442w30]

This is an interesting paragraph.  The surprising assumption is that an unskilled pilot could take up a 190D, P-51 or some other fast aircraft, and ruin the day of people trying to dogfight by picking them when they're busy practicing their art.  Do you remember what it's like to be new?  You can't hit squat.  The way you learn gunnery when you're new is by saddling up the 6 of a bandit, and then expending half your ammo to shoot him down as he makes evasive maneuvers.  New, unskilled pilots are not the ones picking you.  On the contrary, the majority are pilots who already know how to dogfight, but found that they like energy fighting more because they kill more and land more sorties.

As Richthofen said, find the enemy, shoot him down, everything else is bullpoop.

This is the truth. I have only been playing Ah for a few months and the best news you could have if you are Bish or Knit would be that I have upped a fighter.  I can fly real well because I understand the science of flight and I even understand the concept of using the strengths of your airplane against the opponent, BUT I have no clue whatsoever on how put it all together.  I have to my credit one kill against another fighter- a Niki. The pilot never maneuvered and for all I know was on auto and AFK.  I closed to 600 and killed him with one short burst.  I do not think that I have ever hit anything else I have shot at- not that I get into a postion where I can shoot too often.

The only time I get a fighter home is to run like hell and hope someone faster isn't chasing me.  And I go home with all my ammo.  My solution for this is to fly bombers, jabos, and GVs which I seem to have some aptitude for.  I am sure that for anyone as new as myself, they are in the same boat. 

For the record, if I have one complaint, it is toward myself.  I am so bad that I am embarrassed to go to a trainer. I figure I will frustrate them so much they will quit training anyone!  Also, I figure that I should learn one aircraft well at first and can't decide on which one.  The bad marksman in me wants to use something with 4 cannons and leanr to get REAL close, the bad ACM pilot in me wants to fly a LA7 so I can run away, the hopeful part of me wants to fly something that can TnB.  But, to be honest I would love to be able to hold my own (don't "edit" and "fix" that phrase for me   ) in a dogfight and one of these days will get some training and hopefully not prove myself to be a permanent target.

[Burath]

The game is fine,the problem is looking back at you in the mirror.

[iaqmya]

Well, you could, if you really wanted a change, get the teacher's union to set up a new scoreing system. 

Their result would be that no one wins, and no one loses.  all scores would indicate everyone as being in first place.

Kind of like they do for your pre teen children now

[Saurdaukar]

Chaps... give the guy a break.  This is not a mindless whining thread.  This is not simply a complaint.  This is not a mental breakdown.

He took the time to think about a potential solution to a problem that he sees people complaining about on a daily basis.  At least consider it for what it is - a a possible fix for a problem which a sizable portion of the community has - and offer feedback beyond variations of "Youre the problem."

There is nothing wrong with new ideas - yet youd think so by reading many of these posts.

[ghi]

Score is historic realistic modeled,.........     ;but brings selfishness and coward behaviour ,makes players avoid fights and afraid to die, i seen many times 10+ shy guys hiding in tower watching 2  punks vulching the base.

[crockett]

This is an interesting paragraph.  The surprising assumption is that an unskilled pilot could take up a 190D, P-51 or some other fast aircraft, and ruin the day of people trying to dogfight by picking them when they're busy practicing their art.  Do you remember what it's like to be new?  You can't hit squat.  The way you learn gunnery when you're new is by saddling up the 6 of a bandit, and then expending half your ammo to shoot him down as he makes evasive maneuvers.  New, unskilled pilots are not the ones picking you.  On the contrary, the majority are pilots who already know how to dogfight, but found that they like energy fighting more because they kill more and land more sorties.

As Richthofen said, find the enemy, shoot him down, everything else is bullpoop.

You missing the entire point.. I said it's much "easier" to learn those kinds of tactics. I didn't say they were all noobs.  It's not about the skill set so much but rather the mentality.

There is a difference between energy fighting , BnZing, and turn fighting. All three take time to perfect. The problem has nothing at all about the "type" of fighting it has to do with the mentality of probably 80 to 85% of the player base. Do I think they all suck and have no skills? No.

They have no respect at all for the actual fight and the real fun behind dog fighting. If you see two players in a 1 on 1 fight and you dive in and cherry pick the other guy with out asking.. Well then straight up it means you have no respect for the other player and non for the actual fight, if you think that kinda stuff is ok.

When you understand it's not about the style of play but rather the attitude and the respect for the fight.. Then you will maybe understand what wrong with it. Same goes for moron who thinks gang hoarding a single con or two is ok. It shows total lack of respect for any sort of sportsman ship.

Again it's about the attitude.. it has nothing to do with the flying style. This is not about a style of flying but rather the attitude of the typical player that thinks 5 guys on 1 con or cherry picking a con who is in a fight is ok.

What I said about things being easier to learn and bad habits, is the fact that it's much easier to stay in the protection of the hoard and be a gang tard or cherry pick other players for easy kills. Rather than learn a actual skill set and how to fight one on one.

[crockett]

Also there is nothing wrong at all about BnZing.  Hell I BnZ all the time, but in most cases it's because I'm out numbered. In a one on one I have no issues at all getting down and mixing it up. If it's 5 on 1 then I'll dam sure BnZ as long as I can.

The BnZ types that people get ticked off at, are the guys that never commit to a fight. At least those are the ones I think suck. There is nothing more annoying then some idiot who can't hit the broad side of a barn and tries to BNZ you for 10 mins straight. Of course these are typically the same guys that run to the deck like a school girl soon as they lose their advantage.

[moot]

Score is historic realistic modeled,.........     ;but brings selfishness and coward behaviour ,makes players avoid fights and afraid to die, i seen many times 10+ shy guys hiding in tower watching 2  punks vulching the base.

Coming from you, that's pretty funny.

[Tr1gg22]

Scoring system stinks...you can fly/gv 3 missions each for the month and get a very low rating....I killed 400 fighters and bombers and I rank 800 and something......the guys that know how to work the system get the low ranks...the work horses get the high rank...not fair at all.
Its not about whos the best its about who knows how to abuse the system that get the low ranks!

400 kills but how many deaths? 402?? Just wonderin..

[2fly]

Granted I have only been playing for just over a year so my point of view is more limited.  But I have a hard time believing that a game that has been around for years and has predecessors going back a decade or more has suddenly changed. 

There have always been "Cowardly BnZers", "HO monsters", and "Rabid Furballers". 
Only the names have changed.

[crockett]

Granted I have only been playing for just over a year so my point of view is more limited.  But I have a hard time believing that a game that has been around for years and has predecessors going back a decade or more has suddenly changed. 

There have always been "Cowardly BnZers", "HO monsters", and "Rabid Furballers". 
Only the names have changed.

The game hasn't been advertised on TV for over a decade. My guess is it's just the massive infux of new players that cause this kind of issue. Sure the same problem was probably around b4, but with more players it compounds on it's self. I think the problem is the old school way of fighting is being taken over by the cheap eazy mode quake 3 types because new players do what the next guy does.

[moot]

Strafing you mean AH advertisement?  If so, there's been a number of ad campaigns, and at least one of em gave a very noticeable influx of new players.