Death - is this what divides?

[Yenny]

So you were the 5 190s that took that long to BnZ my single 38G to death last night while I was on the deck just up?

We kept you guys from reinforcing the attack our air field didn't we =).

[Guppy35]

We kept you guys from reinforcing the attack our air field didn't we =).

Well if ganging one light 38G is stopping the attack on your airfield, that i wasn't participating in, you sure stopped me

But I guess I helped the "war" effort by getting you guys to waste a bunch of time booming and zooming and missing with all your cannons and MGs.  Had to have been 10 different passes where guys fired and missed.  Finally one got a killing shot in and I don't know that I ever got 500 feet up.

5-1 odds for the 190s isn't much of a threat though in particular when you have the alt and the E.  Not much SA involved on your part.  Plenty on mine

[Yenny]

You do know there was 3 other biship w/ ya right =) wasn't just you buddy.

[Guppy35]

You do know there was 3 other biship w/ ya right =) wasn't just you buddy.

Well there were more then just the 5 190s above too

Just poking ya a bit about this comment from your earlier post

"We usually face 1 to 3 odds in these sortie. Usually we make it back home with around 15-20 between the 4 of us. It's not much but it take a lot of SA and team work to force that air field to play defensive for a bit giving our guy on our air field time to come up and get some E."

Guess this wasn't one of those times

[BMV1995]

Well I do kill myself sometimes for fun (and sometimes because i often open my parachute at 2000ft or higher, accidently of course and then got to the radio and type in this 'Hello can anyone kill me please or something like that ) and i very often do dive bombing with lancs and B 17s or 24s .(Well with big bombers )

[Yenny]

Well there were more then just the 5 190s above too

Just poking ya a bit about this comment from your earlier post

"We usually face 1 to 3 odds in these sortie. Usually we make it back home with around 15-20 between the 4 of us. It's not much but it take a lot of SA and team work to force that air field to play defensive for a bit giving our guy on our air field time to come up and get some E."

Guess this wasn't one of those times

heh you're right, we hang out there for about 15 min. We had more friendly finally able to made it out of our air field and head to yours. It was fun though, we got jump by a group of La7 and 51s on egress, and took the fight to the TnB on the deck.

[LYNX]

When living is the primary goal, why fly at all and risk dieing? Would it not be better to sit in the tower, and achieve perfection of never dieing?

lol Reminds me of

To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,

Which the scoring system is neutral to. Where as the scoring system and general game play endorses.

Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?

What it doesn't do where virtual death is concerned is penalize the suicide bomber pilot. I know you can't code out stupidity but I'm sure the deliberate actions of whats becoming the norm could be looked at.

[Anaxogoras]

I thought words like ALL Cost, would mean take no risk. Or did you mean to say something different with ALL COST?

HiTech

You're right, I exaggerated!

[bongaroo]

put a few pings on a set of bombers that completely missed there drop and gave me a surprise 3 kills when the pilot bailed them right over the field.  <S> MightyT, those were some mighty easy kills   

[Bronk]

Gentlemen, (and I use the term loosely) the problem is not the fear of death. The problem is the same mentality that looks for all the cheat codes when a new Xbox2/ps3/wii game is purchased. Cant be bothered to learn all the little nuances of the game.

It's the same path of least resistance thing.

[bongaroo]

true dat

[DoNKeY]

The analogy is wrong, Anaxagoras.

 The way you describe it makes people think that there are actually people who don't care about deaths and just fly around for fun. As if there exists an antagonism between the "I do all I do to survive" kind and the "I only care about fun" kind.

 However, in reality, there's no such thing as an "I only care about fun" kind of people in the MA.

 The self-described "I only care about fun" folk are usually shrouded in a cloudy layer of self-devised deception, in the fact that they compensate for the dangers of "fun" flying by usually flying at places on the map that minimizes the dangers of being shot down. They usually like to describe it as "SA".


 For instance, if they really care about fun, in theory you should see as much as them as anywhere on the map. However, in reality, you don't see them upping in superbly "target rich" environments. You don't see them getting up from vulched fields, you don't see them getting up under disadvantageous circumstances.

 Take for example, some of the more prominent squads in the MA. They usually lead attacks into undefended parts of the maps. The first to launch offensives while the local airsuperiority shifts into their own favor. However, you don't see that same squad upping from badly outnumbered fields. Why? Because upping under those circumstances, for the objective of defending bases, means that they will be shot down a lot while attempting to defend. It's NO FUN.

 I've met almost every person in this thread whom professes to "fly for fun", either as a friend or a foe. Unfortunately for them, the only circumstances I've actually met most of them are while they are solely on an advantageous offensive. And as long as they are totally free to choose wherever they want to fly on the map, they can always pick the best spots to fight as fun as they like, and still remain victorious in most of the cases.

 
 In short, its one of those vet shams.

 They ridicule the average pilot for wanting to survive, always running away, and whatever these underskilled pilots need to do to survive as being "cowardly" and "no fun"... but at the same time, they are always the swarmers, hordesmen, mass GV attackers, flying mid-war planes at 20k and jumping down on fools who've been lured to open spaces, BnZing, cherrypicking, etc. etc. ad nauseaum.

 Ofcourse its fun to fly in winning fights.

 However, just for the sake of argument, give me the right to limit and designate where some of these people can fly on the map, and I guarantee, every single one of those "I fly for fun" people will definately be flying in a very different style - for survival.

 
 In short, the people who claim they don't care about deaths, are those who usually fly under circumstances where they'd not have to worry about relatively high risks in the first place.
 

The 80th tends to up at capped fields pretty regularly. We do it for the fun factor. To succeed where it looks as if failure is imminent is the goal in that regard. Even if you fail to defend successfully, it is alot of fun and makes for some entertaining films.

You clearly have never flown anywhere near me or the guys that I fly with.

Your statement is absolutely false in that respect

donkey

[Tr1gg22]

wow will we ever get over this subject????

[FBplmmr]

Fighting to the 'death' in a cage match has got to be vastly more exciting than sitting in the stands with a rifle, waiting for one of the contestants to turn his back to you.

To me this game is about simulating the most exciting part of aerial combat,the dogfight! 

Pitting your skills against the skills of another or even several others to see who is the better pilot.

I have not flown in months but some of the best fights I ever had in here, I have lost, but the excitement was priceless!

Death-score-bases- whatever...I'll take a cooler full of cold beverages and some good old fashioned adrenalin!

Just a thought--If God wanted you in a fast plane.. why did he point all the guns to the front?

[DoNKeY]

Just a thought--If God wanted you in a fast plane.. why did he point all the guns to the front?