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Offline lasersailor184

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Question for guitar experts...
« on: April 15, 2008, 09:50:24 AM »
Currently I'm hacking away with a borrowed Fender Squire.  However, I would like to get my hands on some humbuckers soon.  What I've been looking at is ESP guitars.  Anyone have any experience with them?

More specifically, I've been looking at these two guitars:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EC100QM-Electric-Guitar?sku=516637

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EC400VF?sku=512884


Money is a little bit of an issue.  I can possibly stretch to get the 400, but the 100 is definately in my range.  Given that I have about a years worth of experience, would it make much of a difference? 
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Re: Question for guitar experts...
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2008, 10:54:38 AM »
Ah, the troubles of selecting what guitar to go with!

If you're keen on sticking with guitar then you will definitely be better off going with the 400 for this sole reason:

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Pickups: Seymour Duncan JB (B) / '59 set

The 400 has Seymour Duncan pickups and this is where you will get most of your sound from. The quality of the body will give you good sustain and increase the fullness of the sound, the quality and shape of the neck will enhance playing comfort (based only playing style and preference) etc etc. At the end of the day it's the pick-ups that give you much of your tone and if you want a decent humbucking sound... Seymour Duncan make fine pickups.

My brother is currently using one for his bridge pickup in his Epiphone Les Paul and it has a very impressive all around tone quality. It covers many styles nicely, giving a good rock, jazz, blues and even heavy metal sound when required (in combination with the quality of the amp you're using and any effects you might be using).

My theory on most purchases is to put the right money down first and get a quality product as opposed to paying less and upgrading later.

Having said all of that... You could have the greatest guitar in the world and it wouldn't matter one little bit if you're playing it through a piece of watermelon amp.


I would recommend spending the extra cash and getting the guitar with the better pickups provided you have (or plan on getting) a decent amp.

One thing I will say is that all cheap guitars are pretty much the same... the thing that truly sets them apart is the pickups. A good pickup selection will make a cheap guitar sound much better and give you more versatility with your sound.... which is always important for a beginner.


I currently use the following for live performances and recordings:

Guitars:
BC Rich Ironbird (Platinum Series)
Fender Telecaster

Effects:
BOSS ME-50 Guitar Effects pedal. (Good selection of distortion, effects and delay with a master control pedal and in-built silent tuner)

Amp:
Laney VH 100R head (all tube, made in England)
Marshall 4x speaker cab.

The amp in particular is a bit pricey... It's a real monster but both guitars were under $1000 and the effects pedal was under $200.

You can pick up much cheaper effects pedals but the ME-50 has a good selection of things you need, which saves you potato peeling about on stage with 5 different pedals.

Also... I didn't buy a chitty, cheap guitar when I started playing. I knew I wanted to play guitar and I knew what guitar I wanted. I saved my cash (I was still in school at the time) and went out and bought the exact guitar that I wanted, which cost me $1000. An expensive first guitar, to be sure, but I loved it from the moment I got it and I still love it to this day. It is still my main guitar and it has served me faithfully and reliably over the years. Don't be affraid of splashing the cash and getting what you want right out of the gate. If you know your heart is in it, hold off for a couple of months or whatever you need to do and get the guitar that will make you happy.

Money = quality and quality = sound so my advice would be to get the better guitar.

If nothing else it will have a higher re-sale value if you quit.

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Re: Question for guitar experts...
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2008, 11:24:09 AM »
I like the 400, better pickups and, less important, better tuners. Is it worth the difference in price to you? Best way is to play both and see.
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Re: Question for guitar experts...
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2008, 10:16:31 PM »
Well, I do have a crap amp.  I don't expect to be able to get a new one til the beginning of next year.

Just to make sure (because no one has explained it yet), sustain is how long the guitar holds a note or chord?
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Re: Question for guitar experts...
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2008, 10:47:42 PM »
Personally, I'd go with the 400 fella - better pickups, better body wood (nothing against basswood, but mahogany rules imo)

Amp plays a critical part in your playing - the better the amp, the better your tone/sound. (That said, I practise through a marshall ss 15w thing...which is actually pretty nice sounding)

Sustain is the length of time a note/chord sounds without you having to restrike the strings etc.........you can increase sustain utilising feedback from a tube amp........which is a favourite trick..lol...

I'd be trying them both first in your local shop, finding out which one appeals to the way you play - every guitar feels and hangs different - some of my best players are from the "less" expensive ranges - going up to a custom built JD Bluesville with twin fralin buckers.........which  has a yummy tone.

Hope you get what you want fella, and keep playing, excellent way to get rid of the stresses and strains of modern life.

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Re: Question for guitar experts...
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2008, 11:04:03 PM »
id suggest go hang out at guitar center or pawn shop and play them 1st.. but if that isnt an option ..
I myself are more partial to the Aria and tokia LP copys over the esp's or epi's . 

mahogany is better thats for shure.

after playing a fender you may find you hate the LP's .

Sustain is how long the wood in the guitar rings , turn the amp off to test this.

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Re: Question for guitar experts...
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2008, 11:06:20 PM »
if you know your price limit, go to a store, diddly around with everything inside that limit, and buy what you like. if you cant stand the feel of even the best made, best sounding guitar in the world, you wont want to play it. 

The LTDs are decent guitars, and you wouldnt go wrong with a 400. its something that you'll be able to play for a long while yet.
the 100 would probably make a decent starter but isnt going to be any better than a squier. if you buy it, you'll be wanting a better guitar as soon as you get a good amp.

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Re: Question for guitar experts...
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2008, 12:04:56 AM »
Currently I'm hacking away with a borrowed Fender Squire.  However, I would like to get my hands on some humbuckers soon.  What I've been looking at is ESP guitars.  Anyone have any experience with them?

More specifically, I've been looking at these two guitars:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EC100QM-Electric-Guitar?sku=516637

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EC400VF?sku=512884


Money is a little bit of an issue.  I can possibly stretch to get the 400, but the 100 is definately in my range.  Given that I have about a years worth of experience, would it make much of a difference? 


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Go Dean guitars!!!!! They are really good quality and very cheap. I got a 400$ Mini Flying V. Never had a problem with it the 3 years I've had it. I've never even broken a string yet. But that's just cuz I change them frequently.

But, at guitarcenter.com you can find one for about 90$. Cannot tell you the quality of that, but the minis are great. They are full length but with a 3/4 size body. They are lighter, and they have sorta a jazzy/bass sound to them.  :aok 
 

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Re: Question for guitar experts...
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2008, 12:11:57 AM »
alright, found some older pictures.  :D





2nd page has my other 2 guitars, (except my newest one)
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Re: Question for guitar experts...
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2008, 03:11:23 AM »
Guitars with a solid body helps the sustain.  Meaning the neck is made of the same piece of wood as the body of the guitar, with the fretboard made of ebony or something similar.  Whammy bars hurt sustain, anything that interferes with the sound waves from the nut to the bridge hurts sustain.  Seymour Duncan are really nice pickups.  If you're serious about playing, get the best you can afford. 

Old Fender amps are great if you can find one. Mesa Boogie and Marshall are great amps.  Crate makes a good amp for its price range.  Silver tipped cords also help with the quality of the signal from the guitar to the amp, and don't let the length of the cord be longer then it needs to be.


P.S.  I'm no expert though, I ended up giving over $5000 worth of equipment to my nephew because I stopped playing. 

P.P.S.  If you get a true tube amp, you need to let it cool down after playing before you move it.  Otherwise you'll be going through a lot of tubes.
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Re: Question for guitar experts...
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2008, 06:53:10 AM »
the 100 would probably make a decent starter but isnt going to be any better than a squier. if you buy it, you'll be wanting a better guitar as soon as you get a good amp.

Vorticon has hit the nail right on the head there.

If you're going to buy a new guitar you might as well make it a decent upgrade. That 100 will essentially be exactly the same as your Squire Telecaster.... just with with different pickups. The cheapness of the guitar will really kill that humbucking effect that you want.

I completely understand your position... I have a Fender Telecaster and it has an absolutely beautiful sound... It is an absolute pleasure on the ears. It has no balls, though, and it is not supposed to. It has a delicious sound but it is a distinct sound you just can't do some things with a Tele. I bought my Telecaster after wanting to explore things that I simply could not do with a guitar with humbuckers. So, I did the same thing you want to do... just in reverse order.


Xargos is right about the tube amps.... they're very sensitive. My tube amp currently needs at least one replacement tube. The 'tube' sound is worth it though, it's absolutely diabolical (and I mean that in a good way).

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Re: Question for guitar experts...
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2008, 07:29:26 AM »
I hope that isn't you in the picture  :lol
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2008, 07:35:51 AM »
Why is that?
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2008, 07:37:19 AM »
The 400 is one fine guitar.  There is no way to go wrong with it.  It is well made and sounds as good as a $3000 guitar.  I would definitely go with the 400 though. :aok

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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2008, 02:55:00 PM »
as with all guitars, if you plan on using it for 20 years, play out or anything semi-serious you probably want to spend the dough on a good guitar. it is all about the craftsmanship.

Fender: buy only full American made Startocaster, never a squire.

Gibson / Epiphone: years ago there were good epiphones, but now-a-days I wouldn't bother. years ago Gibson wouldn't make less than a $1500 hand made USA model, now there are asian versions under $500.

Ibanez: again used to make some quality USA models, I am a bit out of touch with them lately.

ESP: they have been around, up and down.



Basically buy only full American made guitars, much higher quality, and they will last you 30 years and more.

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