No british tanks other than firefly?

[Cthulhu]

Actually how did the US guys kill Tigers, Panthers and Late Panzer  4's  with US tanks?

Occasionally they used Firefly's, M10's, M18's, M36's, etc. , and a very few M26's. But mostly they sacrificed LOTS of M4's (and their crews).

No other allied tank is going to make a dent on the onese we have already...

I'm guessing you mean British and American. Late war JS-2's (D-25T gun and improved hull armor) could reliably kill Panther's and Tiger I's, although the JS-2's own armor (especially on the turret) was problematic. And when you throw in all the Russian tank destroyers:

Su-85
Su-100	(probably the best of the lot)
Su-122	(howitzer, so low velocity and less than ideal)
Su-152	(another howitzer with crappy ballistics, but with a projectile weighing 107 lbs who cares? > GROSS OVERKILL)

you have quite a roster that can kill most or all of the armor we have now.

[dirt911]

the us replaced the 17 pounder with the 76mm m6 gun

[Larry]

Ok but this is not the point. Sherman non firefly is going to struggle so we got the firefly because I dont think any allied tank stacked up other than this one by late war.

I guess you didnt take the time to read who I was quoting and let the facts sink in. He said there are no british tanks in the game. I told him that because the british bought the tank modified it and only british crews used this verson of it made it a british tank. I guess next your going to tell me that the shermans that the israeli army bought after WWII and modified almost beyond recognition and used up to the late 70's would be called american tanks to huh?

[442w30]

On the tank destroyers without turrets, what was the azimuth range for the gun?  Would it be enough that you could be successful keeping your engine off or is is small enough that you would have to have your engine on to pivot and thereby miss audible cues to incoming enemy?

That is a broad answer.  There were several, namely German, that had a 30 degree traverse which is not a lot.  1/6 of a circle.  Many others, namely Russian, had smaller traverse and some were as small as 8-10 degrees.  In addition, some TDs were limited on high high (bad for range) or low (bad for hull down shooting) the gun would depress.  The variations on all these factors are too numerous to mention here. I hope this helps answer the question for the pruposes of this discussion.

[Yarbles]

Occasionally they used Firefly's, M10's, M18's, M36's, etc. , and a very few M26's. But mostly they sacrificed LOTS of M4's (and their crews).
I'm guessing you mean British and American. Late war JS-2's (D-25T gun and improved hull armor) could reliably kill Panther's and Tiger I's, although the JS-2's own armor (especially on the turret) was problematic. And when you throw in all the Russian tank destroyers:

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Thats right I forgot about USSR tanks which were probably at least as numerous (ignoring m4 and basic t34)

I dont think the M10 is viable because its so vulnerable to air atack. I am not sure about the others. I guess I would want to see the actual numbers on these compared to the comet and Cromwell to decide if they are worth a look.

For me the M4 gives a US more than a Uk tank and was chosen I suspect because it represents a very common type with a model chosen that has some viability against the existing 3.   

[kennyhayes]

japans tank Sucked

[angelsandair]

Well, like AKDogg was saying, we could use more EW tanks and some Japanese tanks. Just for FSO scenarios.

We could do stuff like involving the Japanese tanks and American tanks. (ex. Type 99 vs. M3A1 Stewart) or what ever else people do.