Actress Brigitte Bardot on Trial in France for Offending Islam

[bj229r]

I'm still trying to grasp a Hollywood film star (albeit several thousand miles to the east for the last few decades) that isn't a Christian-hating/Amuuurica hating leftist. (I suppose she still might be leftist in other areas...I know animal rights are big on her to-do list) On the other hand, she may be one of the few who realize that Islam is going to squash her country's culture in decades to come

[SirLoin]

Not really true chair.. we have "hate speech" here..  if it can be applied to race... why not religion or.. the government itself?  It is not religion that is the problem but free speech.

lazs

The term "Islamophobia" means "fear of Islam"..However,now it is taking the form of "fear of Muslims"..like it's an incitement of hatred towards an ethnic group..which it is not.

The merging of faith with the notion of race,and government.

There...you now have a trinity of insanity.

[texasmom]

No... You guys are talking about someone you don't know, that's the first fact.  Second fact is that the only reason what she says isn't quite deserving of the full on "incitation to hatred" sort of sentence is that she's broke down stupid.  If she was smart, she'd use a minimum of clever wording like every other neonazi scumbag and be off scott free every time.. She'd get some benefit of the doubt like Michel Houellebecq. It would all be taken as so much impertinent noise, except that over in France you're a lot closer to the sort of culture that Germans have, not really censoring nazi revivalism as much as having zero tolerance because they know exactly where that path leads.

wrongwayeric, that's rubbish.  You neither know the context nor understand what's going on.  But it's not like you need any good excuse to pull a white flag joke.

Probably another thing that's not very clear is how France is on their speech laws. Can you indeed say anything you want?  I mean, really... here anybody (regardless of what we know about their hatred or not) can say anything they want, for the most part.

I mean, none of that changes that she's probably got a pretty evil heart ~ but as long as you can say whatever you want ~ why is she being indicted for inciting hatred? Just because she's got a putrid soul or a foul mouth?

[Getback]

I sure don't believe in racism. Nothing good comes out of hate. Still though, I do believe in free speech.

[storch]

I sure don't believe in racism. Nothing good comes out of hate. Still though, I do believe in free speech.

what makes you think a person who is racist also hates?

[moot]

Think of it like a rule 5, rather than 4.

[Saxman]

what makes you think a person who is racist also hates?

Isn't the former DEFINED by feelings of the latter in regards to a specific racial group?

[texasmom]

I see what you mean... I just don't see why she's being indicted for it.  I strongly disagree with what she said, but I don't think that everyone we strongly disagree with should be jailed as a result of our belief that they're horrible people and showing it with their foul mouths.

Hatred is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die as a result of it.  That sort of hatred that she appears to have is enough for her to self destruct without trouncing on the freedom of speech (which I'm still not clear if France has or not).

[SIK1]

texasmom it would appear that France does not have freedom of speech, or there would not be a call to indict an actress for what she said. If we indicted every actor/actress that spouted off Hollywierd would be almost bearable.

The U.S. didn't even indict Hanoi Jane for treason, and she went over to the enemy and told them how rightous they were and how evil we were.

Also something to keep in mind is that France harbored the Ayatolla Kohmeni(SP) for something like twenty years, and they probably are trying to stay on the good side of the radical muslims. Hoping to avoid conflict I'm sure.

[moot]

txmom as you can see SIK1 is a specialist on France, he's probably lived there for years, so he's not just repeating whatever he selectively retained from whatever filtered thru the media to him.
He obviously has a deep and thorough understanding of, dare I say, French culture.

[LTARGlok]

  And it's neither the first time she does this, nor a recent development.

You are right.  Here is a very similar news story about her back from 2004.  She clearly hates Muslims.  Her first fine was given her back in 1997.

There are now 5 Million Muslims living in France, out of a total of 64 Million.   So that works out to about 8% of the total population.

Here is a copy of this news story from 2004:


PARIS (Reuters) - French actress-turned-animal rights activist Brigitte Bardot (news) was convicted Thursday of inciting racial hatred and ordered to pay $6,000 -- the fourth such fine for the former sex symbol since 1997.

The Paris court sentenced Bardot, 69, for remarks in her book "A Scream in the Silence," an outspoken attack on gays, immigrants and the jobless that shocked France last year.

In the book, she laments the "Islamization of France" and the "underground and dangerous infiltration of Islam."

"Mme. Bardot presents Muslims as barbaric and cruel invaders, responsible for terrorist acts and eager to dominate the French to the extent of wanting to exterminate them," the court said.

France's 5-million-member Muslim community is the largest in Europe.

Bardot, who was not present for the verdict, denied the charges in a tearful court appearance last month, saying her book did not target Islam or people from North Africa.

She told the court France was going through a period of decadence and said she opposed interracial marriage.

"I was born in 1934, at that time interracial marriage wasn't approved of," she said.

"There are many new languages in the new Europe. Mediocrity is taking over from beauty and splendor. There are many people who are filthy, badly dressed and badly shaven."

In her book, she also attacks homosexuals as "fairground freaks," condemns the presence of women in government and denounces the "scandal of unemployment benefits."

Bardot's attacks on Muslims prompted anti-racism groups to launch legal proceedings against the former star, who turned her back on film after 46 films to concentrate on animal welfare.

Bardot, who in her 1960s heyday was the epitome of French feminine beauty, was fined $3,250 in January 1998 after being convicted of inciting racial hatred in comments about civilian massacres in Algeria.

Four months earlier, a court fined her for saying France was being overrun by sheep-slaughtering Muslims.

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[LTARGlok]

ltardgloc.. how would you know anything about her?  she hasn't had a reality show yet.

lazs

Hey, don't get on my back.

I posted a message about a really great story by Frederick Forsyth about flying and WWII aircraft that most people here would probably be fascinated with, and only 31 people have read it so far.

In contrast, my post on the Kardashians now has over 600 views from other forum members. 

So what does that tell you???

Even you read the one about the Kardashians.
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[Saintaw]

More hawt pictures in the Cardassian thread perhaps?

[lazs2]

ltardgloc.. you said girls and guns in the same statement.. of course I would look.. you will notice that most people were not too happy with you over the thing since they were sucked in too.. after that..it became a thread on how bad reality shows and the people who watch em are.    hardly a victory for your viewpoint on the whole thing.

lazs

[Gunthr]

c'mon, we're talking about a fat old "sex kitten" here, who said Muslims are destroying France, and she made statements against the Muslim feast where animals are apparently sacrificed  - because she is an animal rights nut...

I don't see what this is all about, unless its fear of Muslim violence.