Grumman TBF Avenger and higher altitude torpedoes.

[McLovin1]

Grumman TBF Avenger

• Specifications
  
  
  • General characteristics
    
    • Crew: 3
    • Length: 40 ft 11.5 in (12.48 m)
    • Wingspan: 54 ft 2 in (16.51 m)
    • Height: 15 ft 5 in (4.70 m)
    • Wing area: 490.02 ft˛ (45.52 m˛)
    • Empty weight: 10,545 lb (4,783 kg)
    • Loaded weight: 17,893 lb (8,115 kg)
    • Powerplant: 1× Wright R-2600-20 radial engine, 1,900 hp (1,420 kW)
  • Performance
    
    • Maximum speed: 276 mph (444 km/h)
    • Range: 1,000 miles (1,610 km)
    • Service ceiling 30,100 ft (9,170 m)
    • Rate of climb: 2,060 ft/min (10.5 m/s)
    • Wing loading: 36.5 ft·lbf˛ (178 kg/m˛)
    • Power/mass: 0.0094 hp/lb (0.17 kW/kg)
  • Armament
    
    • 1 x 0.30 cal (7.62 mm) nose-mounted M1919 Browning machine gun(on early models)
    • 2 x 0.50 cal (12.7 mm) wing-mounted M2 Browning machine guns
    • 1 x 0.50 cal (12.7 mm) dorsal-mounted M2 Browning machine gun
    • 1 x 0.30 cal (7.62 mm) ventral-mounted M1919 Browning machine gun
    • Up to 2,000 lb (907 kg) of bombs
    • 1 × 2,000 lb (907 kg) Mark 13 torpedo
• Operational History Notes[/i]
  
  • Missed out on Battle of Midway because they arrived at Pearl Harbor, HI(Except six that were on Midway only one survived because of lack of training.)
  • Many lives were lost at the Battle of Midway because the out-dated Douglas' TBD Devastator was to slow and poorly armed.)
  • At the battle in the Eastern Solomons on August 24, 1942, the 24 TBF Avengers from USS Saratoga and Enterprise sunk the Japanese aircraft carrier Ryujo, and took down one dive bomber;they lost seven planes.
  • In November 1942 at the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal they sunk their first major "prize", the battleship Hiei.
  • Was phased out and taken over by Douglas as the TBM in 1944
  • "In June 1943, future-President George H.W. Bush became the youngest naval aviator at the time. While flying a TBM with VT-51 (from the USS San Jacinto (CVL-30)), his plane was shot down on September 2, 1944 over the Pacific island of Chichi Jima.[1] Both of his crewmates died; however, because he released his payload and hit the target before being forced to bail out, he received the Distinguished Flying Cross."(Wikpedia)
• This would be a great torp-bomber for all periods, since the TBM is only late war or should be if not.
• This is a bit off topic, but not that much. The torpedoes could be realeased higher altitude and speed than the onese used in the game. The Mark 13 could be launched at 2,400 ft and at speeds up to 410 knots; the range is 6,300 yards. And why not give destroyers and cruisers torpedoes as well those torpedoes had very long range

[Spikes]

Anything CV based! Even though it doesn't hold more ord, at least we could release torps at a higher speed.

[VansCrew1]

Curtiss SB2C Helldiver



General characteristics
Crew: Two, pilot and radio operator/gunner
Length: 36 ft 9 in (11.2 m)
Wingspan: 49 ft 9 in (15.2 m)
Height: 14 ft 9 in (4.5 m)
Wing area: 422 ft˛ (39.2 m˛)
Empty weight: 10,114 lb (4,588 kg)
Loaded weight: 13,674 lb (6,202 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 16,800 lb (7,600 kg)
Powerplant: 1× Wright R-2600 Cyclone radial engine, 1,900 hp (1,400 kW)

Performance
Maximum speed: 294 mph (473 km/h)
Range: 1,200 miles (1,900 km)
Service ceiling 25,000 ft (7,600 m)
Rate of climb: 1,750 ft/min (8.9 m/s)

Armament
2 x 20 mm cannon in the wings
2 x 0.30 in (7.62 mm) machine guns in the rear cockpit
Internal bay: 2,000 lb (900 kg) of bombs or 1x Mark 13-2 torpedo
Underwing hardpoints: 500 lb (225 kg) of bombs each

Hellz ya.

 

[Motherland]

I thought the TBM and TBF were the same thing, just built by different companies?

[Redlegs]

I just wish for a 1600lb bomb for the SBD 

[spit16nooby]

I saw a dogfights were a SBD got into a fight were he fought against a zero by trying to out turn the other plane to get the edge on a merge.  Ended with Zero running into SBD and blowing up with SBD still intact.

[Pannono]

D4Y


Specifications (D4Y2)
General characteristics
Crew: two (pilot & gunner/radio operator)
Length: 33 ft 6 in
Wingspan: 37 ft 9 in
Height: 12 ft 3 in
Wing area: 254 ft˛
Empty weight: 5,379 lb
Loaded weight: 9,370 lb
Powerplant: 1× Aichi Atsuta AEIA 32 piston engine, 1,400 hp

Performance
Maximum speed: 342 mph
Range: 910 miles
Service ceiling 35,105 ft
Power/mass: 0.15 hp/lb
Armament
2x forward-firing 7.7 mm machine guns
1x rearward-firing 7.92 mm machine gun
up to 800 kg (1,765 lb) of bombs
JU-DY! JU-DY! JU-DY!

[hunter128]

I thought the TBM and TBF were the same thing, just built by different companies?

yep, that's the look of it.

F - Grumman

M - General Motors

other than that, no differences that i can see.

[zoozoo]

 

[McLovin1]

Anything CV based! Even though it doesn't hold more ord, at least we could release torps at a higher speed.

tbm can do so as well  but its late war

[McLovin1]

Curtiss SB2C Helldiver

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General characteristics
Crew: Two, pilot and radio operator/gunner
Length: 36 ft 9 in (11.2 m)
Wingspan: 49 ft 9 in (15.2 m)
Height: 14 ft 9 in (4.5 m)
Wing area: 422 ft˛ (39.2 m˛)
Empty weight: 10,114 lb (4,588 kg)
Loaded weight: 13,674 lb (6,202 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 16,800 lb (7,600 kg)
Powerplant: 1× Wright R-2600 Cyclone radial engine, 1,900 hp (1,400 kW)

Performance
Maximum speed: 294 mph (473 km/h)
Range: 1,200 miles (1,900 km)
Service ceiling 25,000 ft (7,600 m)
Rate of climb: 1,750 ft/min (8.9 m/s)

Armament
2 x 20 mm cannon in the wings
2 x 0.30 in (7.62 mm) machine guns in the rear cockpit
Internal bay: 2,000 lb (900 kg) of bombs or 1x Mark 13-2 torpedo
Underwing hardpoints: 500 lb (225 kg) of bombs each

Hellz ya.

 

yeah thats early to late and was taken over by douglas as the sbd but it would be a good ad to early and mid war, since the sbd is late

[McLovin1]

I thought the TBM and TBF were the same thing, just built by different companies?

i said that in th post but the tbm was an improvement and only in late war this would be for all periods

[McLovin1]

D4Y
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Specifications (D4Y2)
General characteristics
Crew: two (pilot & gunner/radio operator)
Length: 33 ft 6 in
Wingspan: 37 ft 9 in
Height: 12 ft 3 in
Wing area: 254 ft˛
Empty weight: 5,379 lb
Loaded weight: 9,370 lb
Powerplant: 1× Aichi Atsuta AEIA 32 piston engine, 1,400 hp

Performance
Maximum speed: 342 mph
Range: 910 miles
Service ceiling 35,105 ft
Power/mass: 0.15 hp/lb
Armament
2x forward-firing 7.7 mm machine guns
1x rearward-firing 7.92 mm machine gun
up to 800 kg (1,765 lb) of bombs
JU-DY! JU-DY! JU-DY!

guys stop hijacking the post

[Arlo]

yep, that's the look of it.

F - Grumman

M - General Motors

other than that, no differences that i can see.

Yup. Plane's already modeled. So's the Mk XIII torp, however this detail is a rather important one:

"Early models—even when dropped low to the water at slow speeds—were prone to not starting or running on the surface. Later in the war the design was modified to allow drops from as high as 2,400 ft, at speeds up to 410 knots."

 

Mclovin1 said: "... since the TBM is only late war or should be if not."

TBM-3 production began mid-1944. By that time the Mk XIII could be dropped from 1k. But it wasn't until war's end it could effectively and consistantly be dropped from 2400. The plane's design has no real significant changes from it's 1942 production model to war's end other than fuel range and radar, even then the -1 was the most numerous. The torp? I don't see how HTC could twiddle it's parameters without making it a late war torp in all arenas: Early, Mid, Late, AvA, Events .... *ShruG*

[Ack-Ack]

"Early models—even when dropped low to the water at slow speeds—were prone to not starting or running on the surface. Later in the war the design was modified to allow drops from as high as 2,400 ft, at speeds up to 410 knots."

I wish we had that torpedo.  Just last night, as I was flying around in a TBM, I spotted a Tiger tank approaching our town.  I rolled and dove on it, releasing my torpedo at 600yds and just watched it bounce off the turret without exploding.  Then I realized that I was way too fast for the drop and thought, "Damn, if only I had the Mk III torpedo, I would have wasted that Tiger."  Live and learn my friends, live and learn.


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