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Offline Xasthur

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2008, 02:23:30 AM »
SD67 lives in Australia.

Sydney or Brisbane IIRC.
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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2008, 04:45:02 AM »
I live in Ballina, closer to Brissy than Sydney. Queensland has about 10-15c/L cheaper fuel than in New South Wales though, it's just a lucky coincidence we travel to Beenleigh to visit Sarah's Mum every two weeks.
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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2008, 05:58:50 AM »
Just for comparison, I paid £1.07 per litre the other day. 95 octane, but that works out at around $2.10.
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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2008, 06:57:13 AM »
Australia. Our petrol prices are climbing sharply. I expect them to reach $2.00 a litre by the end of this year.

98 ron,the highest grade of dog piss avalable in nz has already hit $2 a litre. if the price keeps tracking up the way it has recently then $2.50 a litre is more than likely before the end of the year and it's only going to get worse if the gov gets it's way and adds a crap load of new taxes to the price.

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2008, 07:35:46 AM »
I've got $3 dollars in my wallet. 1/2 tank of gas in the truck (22 gallon tank). $3.56 a gallon for gas. my truck gets 15 MPG. how long until I run out of gas?

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2008, 09:57:34 AM »
You do know that gas companies only make 8 cents off of every gallon sold, right? However the government gets anywhere from 40 cents OR MORE and they don't do anything to make that gallon of gas.

I think we should complain more to the government to lower the price before oil companies.
Unlike the oil companies that you seems to defend with that statement, the government gets 40cents on a gallon constantly, unless they pass a bill to raise the tax. The government gets no more money when the price rises as that is a fixed tax per gallon. The oil companies on the other hand control the price of the gallon. So if the price is $1 the government gets 40 cents the oil company gets 60 cents, the price goes to $2 a gallon the government gets 40 cents, the oil company gets $1.20. Don't jump on the government thinking there getting money off the tax as that is totally false. The oil companies control the price per gallon not the government. Now i will say that the government should step in and do something but i haven't heard one single good idea on what they could do. Windfall profits tax will not help us the consumer one bit as do you really think you'll get a check from the government from it? What a load of bunk.

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2008, 10:01:55 AM »
wrongway.. you are well... wrong.. there is sales tax too and it is over 7 cents and not on the gallon... on the dollar.. the "government" is cleaning up every time gas goes up.. it is a huge revenue maker.

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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2008, 10:07:15 AM »
  Now i will say that the government should step in and do something

Oh MY!!!!!!!!!!!! Just go ahead and shoot yourself in the foot.
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2008, 10:21:50 AM »
try £4.90/gall ( US$9.80/gall )   now you know why we dont drive many V8s :(
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2008, 10:22:32 AM »
You do know that gas companies only make 8 cents off of every gallon sold, right?

8 Cents on a $4 / gallon is an abysmal 2% profit margin.

8% on a gallon is more like it.  about 32 cents a gallon @ $4 / gallon.

Still less than our taxes.
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2008, 10:23:36 AM »
The oil companies control the price per gallon not the government.

Thats news to me. I thought OPEC set the price of oil which is what the oil companies make gas with.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2008, 10:25:02 AM »
8 Cents on a $4 / gallon is an abysmal 2% profit margin.

8% on a gallon is more like it.  about 32 cents a gallon @ $4 / gallon.

Still less than our taxes.

I knew it was 8 something or other from the reports I've read. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2008, 10:48:19 AM »
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If that were the major cause, then why is SD67 paying $1.55 a litre? (Roughly $6/gal)

Maybe Australia, like the countries in Europe, has a much higher gas tax.

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8 Cents on a $4 / gallon is an abysmal 2% profit margin.

Yep, that's the way it works for the marketer/retailer (not the integrated oil companies themselves that do little actual gasoline selling and are running as fast as they can away from this sector of the industry). That's why the convenience store, car wash and food service programs are so important for SURVIVAL in the industry today. It is not percentage based. A marketer/jobber can at times "gouge" as much as 30 cents or slightly more flat rate per gallon for several weeks (still in the 10 percent or less range of total cost per gallon). Or, on the other side, break even or sell at a slight loss for several weeks depending upon the players in the markets and their supply deals and the price on the street and the volume vs margin equation where volume = customers. Sometimes you have to match the low guy to keep your customers even if he is breaking even and you are losing 2 cents per gallon.

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The oil companies on the other hand control the price of the gallon.

No they don't. Oil is a commodity and the bulk of the price reflects the cost of crude oil and that is set in the various energy markets. The oil producing countries and OPEC can influence the price of oil by adjusting supply relative to demand. That can also happen through natural changes in the market that are outside of expectations. Beyond that, the commodity markets -- traders -- set the price of oil and refined products just like they do with oranges, corn and pork bellies based upon greed, fear, herd behavior and voodoo. The oil companies benefit or not depending upon the markets. No one was complaining throughout much of the 1990s when oil was below $20 per barrel ad the oil industry lagged most other industrial sectors and no one wanted to invest in it because of the poor returns.

Of course, when the gas was cheap the same people complaining now went out and bought big trucks to use as the daily commuter vehicle and helped created the prices we see today. We consume more oil than any other country in the world, and more than the next four countries combine. Most of that goes to motor fuels. Duh. One reason for that is back when oil was cheap and gas cheap, the Europeans added huge taxes to both pay for their social programs and encourage efficiency. The Smart Car exists for a reason, and that does not involve the joy of the open road :)

Here's a nice primer showing the cost components of a gallon of gas.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/gasolinepricesprimer/eia1_2005primerM.html

On a final note, about 30 percent of the cost of a US gallon of gasoline is related to the devalued dollar. About $30 on a $115 bbl of oil.

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2008, 11:11:10 AM »
$1.22 canadian / litre...

50 bucks to fill up.   had been around $40 a tank since i bought it...

i get 28-31mpg highway though.

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2008, 11:26:58 AM »
Might be a good time to bring in the Smart Car.

In city driving, the Fortwo gets a reported 46.3 mpg, while highway driving is an even more impressive 68.9 mpg. The 50-hp engine accelerates more slowly, but the electronic speed limit is the same, and the mpg ratings are the same as well.


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