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Offline Toad

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #330 on: June 27, 2008, 09:23:24 AM »
You guys all love to cry about welfare moms yet don't want them, to be able to get rid of a unwanted pregnancy.

Abortion has been available a looooooong time. Have we seen any decrease in the number of welfare moms? I don't think so.

In fact, since the idiotic government system pays more if you have MORE illegitimate children, the opposite is true; they have MORE children in order to take more money from the poor working suckers of the US that actually pay taxes.

You might as well take that attempt to link abortion = less welfare mothers and put it in the comedy Hall of Fame.
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« Reply #331 on: June 27, 2008, 09:45:22 AM »
You might as well take that attempt to link abortion = less welfare mothers and put it in the comedy Hall of Fame.

How can you be so mean spirited?    :rofl
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« Reply #332 on: June 27, 2008, 09:48:34 AM »
Crock-it is gonna have to stop soon. I`m running out of tissues. 
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #333 on: June 27, 2008, 10:08:10 AM »
Regarding the right's view of the unborn, and it's welfare after birth... I believe the mom needs to keep a damn penny between her knees until she can care for a child.  After the child is born, she needs to take care of it. 

Strafing, the "Right" isn't inconsistent about that, as you earlier posted.  The commonality is responsibility for your own actions.

Don't have a kid unless you can care for it.  Once you do have it, care for it.  And don't expect everyone else to take care of it for you.  Work 2 jobs if necessary.  But don't suck up everyone else's tax dollars to feed your kids because you, as a single woman, can't keep your dang legs together & end up having 3 kids by 3 different men.

And one the same note, don't kill the kid before it's born just because it's too much of a 'burdon' for you to take care of.  You made it... you take care for the child.  Abortion is the crescendo of lack of personal responsibility... to an married woman, it allows her to hide infidelity.  To a single woman, it allows her the continued freedom of casual sex without the follow-on responsibilty of a child.





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Offline Charon

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #334 on: June 27, 2008, 10:17:08 AM »
For all his smokescreen, Obama does actually have a stong record on his desire for DC and Chicago style extrme gun control. From his serving on the board of the Joyce Foundation to his calling for a national end to concealed carry to his calls for bans on virtually all semiautomatic firearms and I believe handguns in general as well -- he has shown that his version of reasonalbe restriction is more in line with Fenty, Bloomberg and Daley than some moderate. Here are the specifics:

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Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
 
http://www.ontheissues.org/Gun_Control.htm

Of course, as this thread points out he lacks the guts and conviction to actually take a stand on the issue.

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #335 on: June 27, 2008, 10:22:44 AM »
For all his smokescreen, Obama does actually have a stong record on his desire for DC and Chicago style extrme gun control. From his serving on the board of the Joyce Foundation to his calling for a national end to concealed carry to his calls for bans on virtually all semiautomatic firearms and I believe handguns in general as well -- he has shown that his version of reasonalbe restriction is more in line with Fenty, Bloomberg and Daley than some moderate. Here are the specifics:

Of course, as this thread points out he lacks the guts and conviction to actually take a stand on the issue.

Charon

He's waiting until AFTER the election, when taking such a stand won't hurt hit chances to take the big office.

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #336 on: June 27, 2008, 10:23:38 AM »
Obama is very strong anti-gun. Just as bad hes going to owe Richie Daley a big IOU if he gets elected.

Yeah right now hes eating barbecue, drinking Bud, watching NASCAR, and might even by filmed carrying a dead duck. But thats just to get elected. He's an IL. politician who was put in power by the Chicago crowd.

If your a sportsman, gun owner, or just plain believe we have a constitutional right to bear arms, then dont say I didn't warn you.
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #337 on: June 27, 2008, 10:28:41 AM »
I looked on Yahoo and couldn't find any indication of a poll at all.

http://att.my.yahoo.com/

Sorry guys...It's 2 or 3 pages' back in the news already. Apparantly Wedding secrets' are more important than the 2nd.

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #338 on: June 27, 2008, 02:02:52 PM »
Regarding the right's view of the unborn, and it's welfare after birth... I believe the mom needs to keep a damn penny between her knees until she can care for a child.  After the child is born, she needs to take care of it. 

Strafing, the "Right" isn't inconsistent about that, as you earlier posted.  The commonality is responsibility for your own actions.

Don't have a kid unless you can care for it.  Once you do have it, care for it.  And don't expect everyone else to take care of it for you.  Work 2 jobs if necessary.  But don't suck up everyone else's tax dollars to feed your kids because you, as a single woman, can't keep your dang legs together & end up having 3 kids by 3 different men.

And one the same note, don't kill the kid before it's born just because it's too much of a 'burdon' for you to take care of.  You made it... you take care for the child.  Abortion is the crescendo of lack of personal responsibility... to an married woman, it allows her to hide infidelity.  To a single woman, it allows her the continued freedom of casual sex without the follow-on responsibilty of a child.

Well the point being there are many people that don't care for their kids. This isn't lala land where everything is perfect.. There are many parents out there that shouldn't have kids. What do you say about the crack addicts that has her kid that turns out to be deformed? As I said before the right wing is all about rights for unborn kids but soon as they pop out it's time to run for the hills.

Anything after that well they simply say simply screw them. Hell All you have to do is look at George Bush's No Child Left Behind.. Republicans push bills like that, then they turn around and cry about inner city schools and whine about socialism. So no there is no consistency.. You guys are just like the liberals that get whined about day on this forum. The only consistancy is their whines.

The only difference is what you support and what you don't, because the actions are exactly the same. As I've said before, the only difference between the right wing and the left wing is who gets the money.


Besides that this is typical O Club BS.. The reason I brought the abortion topic into this argument, the same as bringing in the freedom of speech with the obscenity prosecutions, is to show the right wing is just as bad as the liberals they all cry about.

Several of the O Clubers here love to cry about liberals this or liberals that, but they turn a blind eye when their own right wing heroes do the same damn thing. On one side they cry about evil liberals wanting to take away their guns, then on the other side they support right wingers who try to take away your right to privacy and freedom of speech.

It's quite hypocritical to be honest. They are all for the constitution until it's something they don't like then of course there should be laws.
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #339 on: June 27, 2008, 03:52:05 PM »
Regarding the right's view of the unborn, and it's welfare after birth... I believe the mom needs to keep a damn penny between her knees until she can care for a child.  After the child is born, she needs to take care of it. 

Strafing, the "Right" isn't inconsistent about that, as you earlier posted.  The commonality is responsibility for your own actions.

Don't have a kid unless you can care for it.  Once you do have it, care for it.  And don't expect everyone else to take care of it for you.  Work 2 jobs if necessary.  But don't suck up everyone else's tax dollars to feed your kids because you, as a single woman, can't keep your dang legs together & end up having 3 kids by 3 different men.

And one the same note, don't kill the kid before it's born just because it's too much of a 'burdon' for you to take care of.  You made it... you take care for the child.  Abortion is the crescendo of lack of personal responsibility... to an married woman, it allows her to hide infidelity.  To a single woman, it allows her the continued freedom of casual sex without the follow-on responsibilty of a child.

Crockett,

What you talk about concerning rights is socialism as a safety net to wash away all of your own imoral mistakes and anyone elses as a get out of jail free card.

I quoted texasmom because concervitives want social responsibility; and for you, us, or those welfare moms to pay a price for imoral mistakes. Putting men and women in jail for aborting their unborn children or scamming the state with unintended pregancies will dry up the use of both activities as matters of conveinience. Socialism breeds a lack of social responsibility for ones personal actions by removing any consiquences other then not turning to the State as your savior.

The true exceptions to the above who fall on real hardships not of their irresponsibility have always had support systems to help them recover.
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #340 on: June 27, 2008, 04:04:17 PM »
What happened to the gun thread. Did it get lost in Crock-itness?  :huh
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #341 on: June 27, 2008, 05:45:41 PM »
Crockett,

What you talk about concerning rights is socialism as a safety net to wash away all of your own imoral mistakes and anyone elses as a get out of jail free card.

I quoted texasmom because concervitives want social responsibility; and for you, us, or those welfare moms to pay a price for imoral mistakes. Putting men and women in jail for aborting their unborn children or scamming the state with unintended pregancies will dry up the use of both activities as matters of conveinience. Socialism breeds a lack of social responsibility for ones personal actions by removing any consiquences other then not turning to the State as your savior.

The true exceptions to the above who fall on real hardships not of their irresponsibility have always had support systems to help them recover.

Sorry but conservatives don't want "social responsibility" if they wanted that, they would fund the damn schools and do something about the open boarders in this country.  G Bush has been in the WH almost 8 years and what's he done about securing our boarders especially since 9/11? Not a damn thing except cutting the funding to the boarder patrol. Yep that's the "responsibility" party for yea.

The current crop of so called conservatives running the republican party are "religious conservatives". They have their religious agenda that has nothing to do with responsibility and everything to do with trying to be the nations moral police. Hell, Responsibility isn't even in the Republican playbook, it's just another big word George Bush can't pronounce and the religious right use as a coin phrase to try to push their agenda.

The simple fact is pushing the abortion ban is the exact same thing as liberals who push gun bans and that's why I brought it into this topic. There is no difference in the two when you get down to it. Your right to privacy is in the constitution and that can be considered your body as much as your home. The govt should have no right to tell people what they can do or can't do with their own body.

You want to start justifying it because of this reason or that and it's the same thing as people justifying banning guns for this reason or that. The only difference is your moral opinion on each topic.

btw when I say "you" I don't necessarily mean you bustr. It's a open ended "you" lol
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #342 on: June 27, 2008, 06:09:27 PM »
Sorry but conservatives don't want "social responsibility" if they wanted that, they would fund the damn schools and do something about the open boarders in this country.  G Bush has been in the WH almost 8 years and what's he done about securing our boarders especially since 9/11? Not a damn thing except cutting the funding to the boarder patrol. Yep that's the "responsibility" party for yea.




Pssst, Bush is not a conservative.

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« Reply #343 on: June 27, 2008, 06:31:50 PM »


Pssst, Bush is not a conservative.

Yea that's kinda the point.. and neither is the current Republican party.
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« Reply #344 on: June 27, 2008, 10:37:39 PM »


Pssst, Bush is not a conservative.

But at least he's pro-America which is more than can be said for most Democrats, including Obama.