LA7 Dweeby?

[Ack-Ack]

No, the logical failure is on your side ack-ack.  Having a bigger pair has little to do with being a better or more skilled player.  Bravery and flying skill are two different things: witness the many skilled pilots who are nonetheless cowardly to prove the point.

Your point only makes sense if you want to play on the ambiguity of the word "better," because you can stretch that around to mean nearly anything.

To say someone has 'bigger' balls because they fly a certain plane is as large as a fallacy as thinking that flying a certain plane makes you more skilled than someone that flies another type of plane.

But you go ahead and keep thinking that while I sit back and laugh.


ack-ack

[gpwurzel]

Heh, I enjoy flying a wide variety of planes - and do so with the same lack of skill in all of them  - everything in game flies like a spitfire.....(at least when I fly em).

LA7 is a good bird, short legs, but much more than a ho n run plane - much much more......

Wurzel

[Anaxogoras]

To say someone has 'bigger' balls because they fly a certain plane is as large as a fallacy as thinking that flying a certain plane makes you more skilled than someone that flies another type of plane.

But you go ahead and keep thinking that while I sit back and laugh.


ack-ack

I really don't see the parallel, especially since no argument has been made for it.  On the other hand, between two experienced pilots who understand this game, when one chooses an FM-2, and the other a Spit16, the former has opted for a greater challenge.  It doesn't make him a more skilled pilot (perhaps the Spit16 pilot is more skilled), but it is what I call having a bigger pair.  And this use of the phrase fits very well with agreed upon public usage.  Maybe you disagree with the phrase itself, but there are many others that would substitute well, i.e. any phrase that means taking the path of greater resistance.  You wouldn't disagree that some aircraft in this game are more challenging to succeed in than others, and you wouldn't disagree with calling them a path of greater resistance; well, why do you so vehemently resist attributing aircraft selection in this game to character traits?

The only fallacy here is what's called a "horse-laugh" or appeal to ridicule, which you made above.

[BaldEagl]

People who regularly fly La7's and spit16's are the same people who won't play a 1st person shooter without the cheat codes. They want no sort of challenge--what have you accomplished killing people with an AK47 when everyone else has Springfield 1903's?

First of all, I've never played a first person shooter game and I've never cheated.  Secondly, I love a challenge.  It's why I regularily fly most of the EW planes in the LW arena, but I also love the Spitfire.  Always have and probably always will.

Did you know that the Spit was the only fighter in production at the beginning of WWII that was still in production at the end of the war?  Or that it wasn't retired from service until the 1950's?  Probably not.  You were probably too busy trying to figure out how to cheat at history class to bother.

What's the sport?  Go fly into a you on ten, even in a Spit, and tell me how you do.  I flew into two of them a few nights ago and landed 3 kills between the two flights.  Not great but I had to exit the second fight early with a pilot wound.  Of course YOU probably wouldn't do that without your cheat code.

[BaldEagl]

On the other hand, between two experienced pilots who understand this game, when one chooses an FM-2, and the other a Spit16, the former has opted for a greater challenge.  It doesn't make him a more skilled pilot (perhaps the Spit16 pilot is more skilled), but it is what I call having a bigger pair. 

A bigger pair?  What a laugh.  That's the same as saying I fly a xxx so I have more courage.  Courage in a cartoon airplane game?  Give me a fluff'n break.

If you really measure your manhood and/or courage by what you fly in a cartoon airplane GAME you need a life.

[Anaxogoras]

Again, I fail to see anything resembling an argument from you baldeagl... just a bunch of invective and rhetoric.

But if you're making the claim that nothing we do in a game reflects on our character, simply because it is a game, then I would say few people enjoy playing games with you.

[BaldEagl]

On the other hand, between two experienced pilots who understand this game, when one chooses an FM-2, and the other a Spit16, the former has opted for a greater challenge. 

OK, I'll give you an argument.  If, in the case above, the FM2 pilot flys safely within his ring of hoardlettes and the Spit pilot flys alone into overwhelmingly superior odds I would argue that, in your terms, the Spit pilot has a "bigger pair".

[Anaxogoras]

Yes, I should have said "other things being equal."  I figured that would be assumed.

[BaldEagl]

Yes, I should have said "other things being equal."  I figured that would be assumed.

The fact is that other things will never be equal.  I know for myself that I'm willing to take far more chances and fly into far more "dangerous" situations with a more capable plane than I am with a less capable plane.  This is true of the vast majority of the player base.

To put it in better perspective, the guy in the FM2 seeking one on ones or flying near his base or CV or near a group of friendlies is no more daring than the Spit or La pilot upping to break a field cap or even coming in from above a capped field.  How many FM2's or Hurri I's do you see doing that in the LW MA's?

People will only fly to their comfort level.  And their comfort level will change depending on what they fly.  Just because one guy flys an FM2 and another flys a Spit or La doesn't mean one has more balls than the other.

[Gixer]

Eagl,

No matter how you try and dice the argument flying,getting kills and surviving in a Spit16,Pony,D9 etc is far easier then a P40. That's why there is eny.  Low eny fighters are the games equivalent to furballing in easy mode. Yes you can fly into a furball in your spit16, bag a couple kills and survive, but it takes more skill to fly into that same furball in a P40 get two kills and survive.

Some of us prefer more of a challange by flying a high eny fighter in the MA. Others prefer low eny fighters for what ever reason they choose. Each to their own. But I will always <S> someone who lands 3 kills in a P40 compared to someone landing 13 in a Spit16.


<S>...-Gixer

[bj229r]

LOL, ok I'll package my comment differently--I've seen guys who can jump into a 1 on 5 with a D-25 or an A8 and wipe the floor with them---If you forever fly La7's or Spit16's you can never be that guy

[Rich46yo]

LOL, ok I'll package my comment differently--I've seen guys who can jump into a 1 on 5 with a D-25 or an A8 and wipe the floor with them---If you forever fly La7's or Spit16's you can never be that guy

Ive never seen anyone survive a 5 on 1 unless they ran and spread the fight out. Most of all in a D-25 or an A8 cause they are one dimensional.

I dont care if your the cartoon version of Jimmy Doolittle your not going to turn fight with success in a FW-run90 A8.

They are both B,Z, and run. So I'll pass on "being that guy".

[bj229r]

I've seen Redtop and Widewing do such with D25 (prolly half-dozen guys from 56th are also that good), and Ive seen Rthus do such in A8..alas, I think he's finally quit for good. Also...
Neither D25 nor A8 can 'run' very far from La7 or spit16---

[Rich46yo]

I've seen Redtop and Widewing do such with D25 (prolly half-dozen guys from 56th are also that good), and Ive seen Rthus do such in A8..alas, I think he's finally quit for good. Also...
Neither D25 nor A8 can 'run' very far from La7 or spit16---

In a turn fight? Yeah sure if they are picking off targets while cherry picking but nobody is going to survive turn fighting a A8 against 5 Spit-16s.

The A8 is faster then the Spit. Even on the deck. While the Spit out accelerates it the run90 out dives it.

The run90 is only dangerous if it has alt on you, which they always do. Its a very dangerous bomber killer but a turn fighter?

The LA-7 has about a 10 mph speed advantage on the deck. If an A8 starts off with enough E then he can run from an LA-7 a long, long time. Generally when you get an A8 on the deck flattened out they are very easy kills.

I know these two guys you mentioned are good. But I doubt they would agree with your assessment.

[bj229r]

They surely wont win every time, MIGHT win one such engagement out of 10....but that ONE win counts for more than a hundred easy kills with an La7 or a 16, IMO