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Offline texasmom

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Re: Second & Third languages
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2008, 12:45:27 AM »
As for other languages?  I've been working hard, but I'm still unable to read english.  Speaking it and writing it aren't so bad.  The reading part is killing me though.

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« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2008, 07:59:40 AM »
The problem with being a native English speaker is that you really don't have to learn another language as most of the world speaks English in one form or another. In fact as often as not when you attempt to speak the local language. They interrupt you with their English. Worse still, many want to practice their English on you. In Vietnam we were constantly accosted by people and many children who wanted to practice their English.

So it's the English speaking countries that are the worst for the lack of another language among their citizens. We Irish are just as bad as the rest. Worse still our own native language isn't widely spoken except in parts of the country. I barely speak any Irish even though I live in a part of Ireland where the Irish language is often spoken. My wife on the other hand speaks Irish well as do most of her family.

I remember explaining to an African man once that I didn't speak my own native language. He was genuinely shocked. at the idea. I was seriously embarrassed by that.  We are intending to send our son to an Irish (language) school where the entire curriculum is in Irish. This will result in them being able to talk about me in front of my face. So the time is long overdue when I should improve my own language.

Besides it's also very useful overseas because nobody understands Irish and you can say what you like in front of foreigners. :lol

But my lack of a second language is embarrassing when you realise like Bongaroo that even the beggars in the street sometimes speak several languages.

It isn't that difficult in truth. It just requires persistence to learn a language. I found that after just two weeks in the South of France that I was essentially understanding what people were saying even though I could barely reply to them.  My ambition is to upgrade my Irish and improve my French and learn Spanish.  That should cover most situations.
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Re: Second & Third languages
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2008, 10:06:09 AM »
I have my 5...but in the last 2 my spelling sucks.
My kids (2 & 4) have 2....bilingual so to say.
The best is getting the kids into languages early, and IMHO EVERYBODY should learn English. It would be a better planet in that way. Well, it's happening...
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: Second & Third languages
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2008, 10:28:50 AM »
I remember explaining to an African man once that I didn't speak my own native language. He was genuinely shocked. at the idea. I was seriously embarrassed by that.  We are intending to send our son to an Irish (language) school where the entire curriculum is in Irish. This will result in them being able to talk about me in front of my face. So the time is long overdue when I should improve my own language.

Same here, the reason I'm going to try to learn my native language. Several years ago a student from a Texas college lived with my Ana & Attata for a year to detail life in their village (& with them in particular).  I was horrified that the stranger wound up knowing more about my grandparents than I did, especially regarding their wishes for their children, grandchildren & great grandchildren.  One of those was a desire to not see our language die out.
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« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2008, 11:40:55 AM »
I grew up in a very diverse city (Waukegan, IL) and it turned out to be a GREAT thing.

If you didn't know some German, Lithuanian, Russian, Croatian, Serbian, Polish, or Greek you would definitely be the last kid picked for a team to play.  My next door neighbors were Lithuanian.  Across the street, 2 German and 2 Polish families.

My German teacher in high school was a HOTTIE from Slovenia.  She also taught us some Serbian & Russian after school.  Her dad survied the camps. 

We had a few families move into the area from Yugoslavia.  The kids knew ZERO English, but were chucked into a class where a teacher knew their language.  My German teacher also knew Serbian so when a kid from Macedonia came to town, he sat right in front of me in class.  I would sneak the Serbian-English dictionary from his book stack and make strange sentances just to crack him up.  He always seem so scared and overwhelmed--so he appreciated some humor.

I have always felt that if you are going to another country "Learn to speak before you go".  My experiences in Germany were awesome!  One family I stayed with their grandfather was an WWI artillery sergent--and he was a HOOT to talk with!  He couldn't hear worth a darn and (over a warm Becks) kept asking what my father did for a living.  I told him my father was a skilled factory worker---he would keep saying...."Ahhh, ok...so how long has your father been playing the piano?"


On the train on the way back to Frankfurt for the way home, I woke up, and in our car there was a Middle Eastern looking man reading the Bible (in English). I asked him in German if he was going to Frankfurt, and he said yes (His German was quite good, better than mine).  I asked him what his favorite part was and he said he loved it all--but was reading about "The Prodigal Son".  He asked if he could continue in English, and told me he was flying back home to Pakistan for the first time in years. The leader who had driven he and his friends out of Pakistan (Bhutto) had died.  He met some friends at the Frankfurt main train station had asked if I would stand with he and his friends because--"I was the tallest man he had ever seen...and folks wouldn't believe him without a picture".  Go figure.


I also met the von Richthofen family gardener on the way home. Since we had checked in very early, our luggage was the last off the plane, and we stood together at the back of the really long line at customs at O'Hare (she looked to be in her early 90's and had the heaviest steamer trunk I had ever carried).

I asked (making small talk) where she was from.  "Oh...you wouldn't know where it was anyway."  "Really?...you must be from Silesia then".  She almost turned ghost white..."None of the young people in Germany know Silesia, how come you do?  "Are you from Schweidnitz", I asked? At first she looked frightened, "How did you know I am from Schweidnitz? (she even looked a liittle PO-d for a second).  I explained that I didn't know...I had assumed she was and that I had had done a lengthy research paper for a history class the previous year on Manfred von Richthofen and his influence on air force tactics.

She then told me that her name was Anna, and that she had been the von Richthofen family gardener.

She also told me that while on leave from the front, Manfred would sneak up on her while she was working in the garden and "goose" her on the backside--she said she was 17 back then.  She also said the von Richthofens gave her a ride to the West when the Russians were only a few miles away.

If I hadn't learned German before I went, I would have missied out on all those wonderful experiences.

My List:
1) English
2) German
3) Dutch (conversational) Thanks to Radio Nederland Wereldoemroep on short-wave.
4) Lithuanian (I only remember all the curse words, sorry)

Learn a second language THEN GO THERE and immerse yourself in it!  You will have the time of your life!  Ya never know who you might meet!



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Re: Second & Third languages
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2008, 12:41:20 PM »
We Brits are every bit as bad as the Americans when it comes to foreign languages, but its all the foreigners fault for learning English so bloody well.

And even where the natives grasp of Her Majesty's English is slightly rusty (Southern California for example), everyone knows if you just talk slower and louder, Johny Native will get the message:

WHERE....CAN....I.....GET.... .A.....CUP.....OF......TEA.    TEA....I....SAID....TEA.....

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« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2008, 01:30:26 PM »
LOL, "goosing", - ...well would you explain that in ...detail?
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: Second & Third languages
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2008, 02:09:04 PM »
LOL, "goosing", - ...well would you explain that in ...detail?
 :devil :devil


Well...I only adapted what she said to a more "American" audience, for which I apologize.

The word she used was "pinched" on her backside...and then she said "...he would laugh, having caught me unawares."

I asked her about Lothar von Richthofen...(he was supposed to be the practical joker of the family), but she reinterrated that it was Manfred.  She then smiled and I let it go.  I was 18 back then and she was in her early 90's...that was 30+ years ago...we tried to have a semblance of manners back then  ;)

My then girfriend (now wife) was waiting for me with my father after customs.  I introduced her to my girlfriend (who did speak some German) and she confirmed to her that she was indeed the von Richthofen family gardner.  My father was clueless as to what was going on.

As she was quite elderly I offered to carry her monsterously huge steamertrunk through customs until her son-in-law could take over (her daughter & grandchilfren lived in Evergreen Park, IL).  I asked why it was so heavy...."gifts for my grandchildren," she says.

It felt as if she must have brought them all bricks!




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Re: Second & Third languages
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2008, 02:31:11 PM »
LOL, that was cool.
While doing some train travels in Germany in the 80's, I frequently wound up carrying trunks or loaded them upwards for elderly ladies. I was stunned with how big and heavy a baggage those little old women were pulling along!
It would never have occured to me back then that I would end up marrying a German woman, her family getting through WW2 narrowly by events like Dresden and Wilhelm Gustloff for instance.
And some months ago, I got a book sent, from my wife's grand-dad. It is called "Mein Fliegerleben", written by Erst Udet and published in 1933...
Anyway, quite some experience there ;)
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2008, 05:59:54 PM »
English is my third language. Might actually be the one I'm best at though. Sad to see so many people who only speak English, yet they wouldn't pass a basic grammar test. I'm gonna try that rosetta stone application out, downloaded some japanese files so that I can yell insults to The shinsengummi bears.
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« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2008, 06:13:09 PM »
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Sad to see so many people who only speak English, yet they wouldn't pass a basic grammar test.

All pilots must now pass and ICAO English language proficiency test. There are six grades. You can only fly with a grade 4, 5 or 6. The Irish Aviation Authority automatically awarded a grade 4 to all current pilots including me. Which means I must have my English tested within three years. I need to attain a grade 6 to be exempt from further tests. Apparently from what I hear so far quite a few native English speakers have already failed to obtain a 6. Which tells you a lot about the standard of English you can find even among pilots. I can think of a few Irish pilots whose accent is so fearsome, I would imagine they will never pass the test :lol

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« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2008, 07:50:42 PM »
Bonjour. Je m'appelle 68Wooley, j'ai douze ans.

There ya go. 18 years since I left high school and I've still got it.

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Re: Second & Third languages
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2008, 08:24:11 PM »
Excuse me..I speak jive!



Second Jive Dude: 'S'mofo butter layin' me to da' BONE! Jackin' me up... tight me!
Randy: I'm sorry, I don't understand.
First Jive Dude: Cutty say 'e can't HANG!
Jive Lady: Oh stewardess! I speak jive.
Randy: Oh, good.
Jive Lady: He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Randy: All right. Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine?
Jive Lady: Jus' hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da' rebound on da' med side.
Second Jive Dude: What it is, big mama? My mama no raise no dummies. I dug her rap!
Jive Lady: Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da' help!
First Jive Dude: Say 'e can't hang, say seven up!
Jive Lady: Jive prettythang dude don't got no brains anyhow! Hmmph!
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« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2008, 08:25:44 PM »
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