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Offline texasmom

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Second & Third languages
« on: June 04, 2008, 08:33:03 AM »
I was very pleased to have seen this. I'm going to use the Rosetta Stone product to learn this language.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10357963
(story is on the 'listen now' portion of the paragraph shown)

How many of you are on your 2nd or 3rd or 4th language?
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Re: Second & Third languages
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2008, 08:42:15 AM »
My German used to be a lot better when my Grandmother was still around.   :(

But I think that Rosetta Stone needs to do this one also      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xhosa_language

That way, I can tell what they are really saying when I watch "The Gods Must Be Crazy"
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2008, 08:42:43 AM »
Working on spanish.

I was simply amazed on my trip to Europe in the Netherlands where it seemed everyone spoke at least 4 languages!  They spoke Dutch, English, German mostly but I met many people who also spoke some Spanish, Portuguese, or Italian!  Talk about feeling like a real dummy.  When a bum can ask you in 5 different languages for a buck fairly fluently you've really got to start wondering why they are a bum!

The hardest person to understand was in a pub where we made some drinking buddies who were over from England.  One was a welschmen and besides knowing it was some kind of English, I couldn't understand any of it.  Later that night after more drinking his buddy leans over and comments "even I don't understand half the crap he's speaking now".  Good times.

A co-worker says that Rosetta Stone thing is pretty handy btw!
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2008, 08:43:05 AM »
Grew up bilingual (Catalan and Spanish), studied English and French, and I'm trying to find time to learn Russian.

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2008, 08:49:50 AM »
Most European countries start teaching other languages at an early age in school. (4th grade?)

I know my cousins in Germany started learning English in 4th grade.

The saddest part is that most people with English as their second language, speak it better than most folks speak English as their native language.
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2008, 09:13:20 AM »
I'm going to try and take German next year, and I REALLY REALLY want to learn Finnish!  :rock

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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2008, 09:30:33 AM »
Most European countries start teaching other languages at an early age in school. (4th grade?)

I know my cousins in Germany started learning English in 4th grade.

The saddest part is that most people with English as their second language, speak it better than most folks speak English as their native language.

Usually you start learning one foreign language in 5th grade, though there are a few primary schools (Grundschulen) that teach it earlier.
Depending on your choice of school type, you keep learning that language for about 5 to 7/8 years.
Many students take a 2nd foreign language (mandatory on Gymnasiums, required for Abitur= highest school graduation level) around 7th grade. Most of the time you can choose between Latin & French at that point, though some schools offer additional choices like Spanish, Russian etc.
If staying on Gymnasium and going for Abitur, you might chose a 3rd language in 11th grade, but only very few students actually do.

All the above varies abit from state to state.

I had 8 years of English and 4 1/2 years of Latin in school and a little bit of Italian & French on University.
But while I can still read Italian with difficulties, the little Latin I actually learned is almost gone...





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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2008, 10:17:44 AM »
Working on spanish.

I was simply amazed on my trip to Europe in the Netherlands where it seemed everyone spoke at least 4 languages!  They spoke Dutch, English, German mostly but I met many people who also spoke some Spanish, Portuguese, or Italian!  Talk about feeling like a real dummy.  When a bum can ask you in 5 different languages for a buck fairly fluently you've really got to start wondering why they are a bum!

A co-worker says that Rosetta Stone thing is pretty handy btw!

I saw the same thing while in Europe, bongaroo.  Another thing I saw (which was very disheartening) was what seemed to be an American arrogance in the community that I lived in regarding language.  "We're Americans ~ speak English," without much effort on the part of the Americans to make an effort to speak the language of the country they were in at any time they were out & about.  I'm sure that was, at least in part, due to the fact that I was a child... Hopefully the adults in the community made more of an effort than what I saw in the children (teenagers).

And so many times here, I saw others speaking broken English (as their second language) suffer ridicule for having said something incorrectly.  I never did get that:  if they're smart enough to be speaking well enough in a second language for you to understand them, how does that make them worthy of ridicule? 

One of my kids speaks sign language (not "fluently"), but that's it. Now that the oldest is already a teen, I'm regretting not having learned/taught them a second or even third language yet.
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2008, 10:25:05 AM »
I saw the same thing while in Europe, bongaroo.  Another thing I saw (which was very disheartening) was what seemed to be an American arrogance in the community that I lived in regarding language.  "We're Americans ~ speak English," without much effort on the part of the Americans to make an effort to speak the language of the country they were in at any time they were out & about. 

This isn't a American phenomenon. For example many people in the Netherlands do speak the language of it's far bigger neighbour, German, to some extend.
Now most Germans driving to the Netherlands do virtually expect them to do so and are some kind of annoyed when it's not the case...
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2008, 10:41:14 AM »
In France, in my high school days, the number of languages u had to master was determined by what your speciality was. I was math/physics so I had only 1 foreign language mandatory. My GF in writing/literrary had to cope with 2 foreign languages, and 1 dead one (Latin).

I started to learn english at 12, started to get really proficient around 17 when all I dead was translating video game manuals in French to play the dam thing, as well as watching my favorite movies in English, rather than dubed in French.

I'm softly working on Spanish, French/Spanish/English really gives you a wide array of countries where you can get by.

I think the habit of Europeans to learn several languages rose by necessity. It's quite a babel tower over there, you have to know a couple languages to do business with your neighbors, as well as the increasing number of inter-countries mariages, such as my cousin coming from a French dad, and Austrian mom. She speacks fluent French/Austrian/German from the get go, learned English fluent, and Spanish broken on the top of that. USA in the other hand, is kind of a self suficient country where the need of communicating with foreigners is not a prime necessity. (Althrough spanish should be mandatory, as you can get a lot more done if you can speak it).
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2008, 10:48:46 AM »
Did Spanish in High School. Hated it...not may Spanish people in New Jersey at that time.
German for awhile at a young age, Grandfather was German. Then was stationed in Germany for 3 Years.
Tried Farsi. That suk'd.
2 Years of Hangul (Korean) Univ of Maryland... did good.
1 Year of Cantonese (Chineese) Univ of Maryland... finally burned out.

Now I just speak Cat and Dog, cuss in Raccoon, Oppossum and give the wifey an occasional nod when she's buzzin in my ear.

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2008, 10:57:40 AM »
Here's an area in education where the US really lags behind. I understand there maye geographic reaosns for this, perhaps, but the euro's really are way ahead of us in this area.(multi-lingual ed)

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2008, 11:09:39 AM »
I think most high school grads in the US would be ahead of the curve is they just spoke english well ... 
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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2008, 11:18:24 AM »
You mean 'speak American well', Eagler.

Yanks will never learn to speak English properly. :D
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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2008, 11:33:52 AM »
My oldest wants to learn German and Chinese, both are offered at his middle school that he will be going to this fall. He has been in Spanish classes since kindergarten at 5 years old (now 11 and has to take one more year.) and is pretty good with it. My middle child has been learning simple Spanish words and phrases for one year now and I speak enough German to order food, beer and find my way to the hotel and hospital when I am in Germany. I am working on German with Rosetta Stone now and want to learn Italian and some Chinese phrases since I have customers in both countries.
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