Lethal Street Fighting

[RTR]

Glad you are ok Storch. Sounds to me that under the circumstances you aquitted yourself quite well.

I'm betting these guys were after your truck.

Wear your seatbelt though....make sure your doors are locked.

cheers, and hope your feeling better.

RTR

[CAP1]

no I didn't win.  I am the clear loser in this one.  eye closed solid for two days and a nice ring for about ten days with the question "geez what happened to you?" from all I met.  I felt like a wuss for being pounded.  I had the sympathy of all of the women in my life, a clear sign of wussliness and the snickers of the men I work with and my son to make matters worse.  also I find myself looking intently for that little car as I go about my business through town.  the whole incident has been an embarassment to me.  I probably should have shot them and the only reason why I didn't was because I didn't think that I could get away with it because they would have both been shots to the guy's backs.  I didn't shoot for fear of the consequences and not from any concern for the two individuals.  that was the first time in my life I ever needed any of the skills I thought I had and I put none of them into practice.  there is a big difference between going into a confrontation knowing, being mentally prepared for a fight to one occurring spur of the moment.  there were no cues and I was completely unprepared and respond weakly.  I can excuse myself to the extent that I had lots to do quickly.  as I hit the brakes the stuff I carry in the passenger's seat all flew forward, looking to the right quickly to see if I could dodge even while standing on the brakes etcetera but the reality is I must have looked like a deer caught in the headlights to the assailant because I never saw him approach.  I saw my door pop open and fist coming.  my reaction to the next punch was an upward block but I also turned my head and started fumbling with the seat belt release.  he was punching with both hands but the closeness of the confined space made it difficult for him to get powerful punches and made it easy for me to get the one good kick in to his center of mass.  anyway that kick was the only lick I got in and it was really more of a push because of how close he was to me.  it was a good kick because it allowed me to scramble out and confront the guy on more or less equal terms.  but at the end of the foray I felt like I had gotten my bellybutton kicked and I felt ashamed of myself.

i think ya oughta load your truck up with a small arsenel, and go out at nights, find this guy, and his buddies, and show them who not to mess with. that may make ya feel better.

seriously, i don't get why you're embarrassed?? you got caught off guard, and reacted in a manner which probably saved your life. imagine if you hadn't done that, and that guy had dragged you oout of the truck? what if you did nothing, and his next move was to pull his gun on you as he tr4ied to drag oyou out of the truck?

so ya got bruises. i'm sure it wasn't the first time in your life, and most liekly won't be the last. you're alive, and lost nothing.

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[33Vortex]

Storch

You made the right call. Shooting them in the back would have gained you nothing. You won simply by pulling the gun and they ran for it. If you hadn't had the gun the situation would most likely have ended differently. I would continue to use the seatbelt but as you said, keep the doors locked. No reason to overdo it, locking the doors is fine and you'll need the seatbelt in case of a collision and/or traffic related accident.

[Eagler]

storch you should have pumped a few rounds into their car for good measure

[bongaroo]

Than they wouldn't have to spend any money at autozone for those fake gunhole decals  LoL 

[lazs2]

I agree with storch on the seatbelt thing.. those who say the three point, rub your neck raw, crap belts we see in cars today do not limit your movement of ruin the driving experience are full of it.   I have never worn the belts in my Lincoln but wear the lap belts in my hot rods.  I have been in wrecks that not wearing belts that you would swear everyone died.. belts or not.. and no one died.   It is exaggerated to the extreme.   My Lincoln is the same car limmo services use.. they don't have to wear belts.. are they in some alternate universe of harm or just have better lobbyists?   how bout school buses and taxis?   alternated universe?   

I would be safer in a car if I wore a helmet and nomex firesuit.. race car drivers do....  at some point you have to ask yourself.. are you driving because you enjoy it or cause you are forced to..  if it is for pleasure you have to ask yourself.. how much of the experience are you willing to throw away for a tiny little chance of safety?

Seatbelts or not.. in my Healey... I am dead in a wreck  it is a 2000 lb car made mostly of aluminum and has a 6 foot spear of a steering column aimed at my chest.  It is also 400 hp V8 and I have gotten it sideways at speed more times than I care to admit.  It is a very dangerous car.. my motorcycles have always been dangerous..  I am not the least bit worried about what will happen to me if a guy hits my Lincoln towne car.

It is a matter of choice and perspective and individual rights.. things that have been taken away from me by people who don't know me and would not be affected by my choices and.. to be honest.. don't give a crap if I live or die but do care about control.

lazs

[storch]

I wore seatbelts because after three citations for not wearing them my insurance premium went up.  all three times I was pulled over for minor infractions but was written up for the seatbelt violation.  I hate insurance companies, I hate giving them my money.  I have been in a few accidents in my time including one head on where you would have thought there were no survivors and only one person (the other driver) was hospitalized.  no one was wearing belts.  I had never been assaulted in traffic and I can tell you the seatbelt was a great impediment to me in that incident.  even though the whole event was over in under one minute a lot occured in that minute.  one can surely say that (parapharsing shakespear) all's well that ends well is true enough but had I been able to respond quicker there might be two guys in custody or deported by now which perhaps would have been a better outcome.  sheer speculation at this point but never the less I won't be wearing seatbelts during in town driving any more.

[lazs2]

my point is that it should be your choice.   I have only one seatbelt ticket in all these years.. I really resent the loss of choice.   

I would be perfectly willing to pay more or less for insurance based on my seatbelt use.  Just like we all pay more or less based on a lot of other things.

lazs

[Charon]

You did fine Storch. In fact you won. Their well planned heist was stopped, and you put the idea in their head that they were about 4-6 lbs of pressure away from eternity. Something that I'm sure takes the edge off their cockiness. You may not have hit them back as physically hard as you would have liked, but you gave them a mental shock and had them running like little school girls. And, you avoided a huge legal and emotional hassle in the process by not pulling the trigger.

Just another case where an armed individual evened the odds and overcame a serious threat. You could have been killed, draggged to death or hit by a car, etc. even if they did not intend to murder. WTG. Another one of those undocumented saves that doesn't go in the official statistics book.

Charon

[Nilsen]

Thing is that i really dont want to find out if i have a "glass jaw" or if any of the fancy blocks and counter moves i have learned in Nanbudo over the years actually works outside the ring.

[indy007]

Thing is that i really dont want to find out if i have a "glass jaw" or if any of the fancy blocks and counter moves i have learned in Nanbudo over the years actually works outside the ring.

As long as you trained it full-speed, full-resistance sparring, it should work just fine. If it was compliant drilling, kata, & point sparring, then you got scammed by what's known as a McDojo. iirc, nanbudo has some judo elements in it. The phsyics of a uchi-mata or osoto gari don't change whether you're on a mat or on concrete. I'd venture to say it'd actually be more effective on the street, since you're throwing somebody onto concrete instead of a mat, and unless they've done that type of training, they're not going to be ready with a breakfall, and they'll hopefully have the wind knocked out of them and possibly broken ribs. Judo rocks.

[Nilsen]

Yes, it has many elements from Judo. Been tinkering with it for about 18 years. On one of my few occational encounters with angry people he did find the asfalt rather hard to hit. Probably didnt feel good to have me sitting on him either, but he could have been too high to notice anything else than not beeing able to move. On the other occations they didnt get close enough.

You can read abit about it here: http://www.nanbudo.com/index.php?page=nanbudo.founderhistory

[SteveBailey]

  know when you are in a fight..  when the fight has really started but no one has thrown a punch yet and then be that guy who throws the first punch. 

This is what my dad taught me and it has served me well.  Most people will do chest puffing, shoving, yelling, some sort of "preliminary" thing before it actually comes to blows. Recognize the point of no return first and be the first one to strike blows, don't fight fair as there is no such thing, and finish the fight.  In other words, knocking a guy down then standing there as he gets back up is foolish. If it's a real fight, put him away.

but at the end of the foray I felt like I had gotten my bellybutton kicked and I felt ashamed of myself.

Storchie, in all seriousness, if you examine the goals of the individuals in your confrontation, you won a clear victory.  Their goals were, probably, to get your truck and your tools by beating you into submission. Your goal was, by default, keeping your truck and survival without crippling injury. Seems to me your goal was clearly achieved and the BG's failed completely.  Storchie 1, BG's 0.  Well done, sir!

[Rich46yo]

I wasn't going to share this here because of the negative responses these types of machoy posts tend to draw.

Im just glad nobody introduced any negativity into Storchys post.

[Yknurd]

If you scream like a girl and fall on the ground yelling "Rape" it'll give you time to reach for that hidden folding blade in the buttcrack and chase off the Pineapples.
You'll get yer homework back and still be eligible for the Air Force Academy.

 

I really, really don't like you AWMac, but that was darn funnay!