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Offline Jackal1

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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2008, 07:04:09 AM »
Save the whales..............and end world trolling now.
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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2008, 07:12:20 AM »
*sniff sniff*

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Offline DiabloTX

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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2008, 07:20:06 AM »
Mine gets to ride around in a holster with me. I call her Gertrude.

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My god...do you hate your gun that much???
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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2008, 08:50:18 AM »
twenty fo.. you did get answered by nelson..  You can support both..

surely the lousy $35 a year to the NRA will not break you?  If you look at all the great things they have done for gun owners over even the last year you would see that it is worth 10 times that much or more.

Not to mention.. ya get a free monthly gun magazine with every membership to the NRA.. One of the better gun mags out there.

I do know that you are filled with bitter hate for everything second amendment and are all atwitter and wet over the possibility of the first almost african pres.. you take his words to heart and come here.. you.. like him see a bunch of old white guys clinging to religion and guns as an obstacle to be overcome.. to be crushed.. in order to build a socialist utopia where..   dare I say it?    The oceans themselves will stop rising!!!

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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2008, 10:50:01 AM »
I didnt read the link.  what did the NRA do that is bad?
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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2008, 11:26:28 AM »
Nothing.  He is just trying to sling poo.  If he actually cared about the 2nd he would have said something other than "Down with the NRA!" 

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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2008, 12:21:53 PM »
twenty fo.. you did get answered by nelson..  You can support both..

surely the lousy $35 a year to the NRA will not break you?  If you look at all the great things they have done for gun owners over even the last year you would see that it is worth 10 times that much or more.

Not to mention.. ya get a free monthly gun magazine with every membership to the NRA.. One of the better gun mags out there.

I do know that you are filled with bitter hate for everything second amendment and are all atwitter and wet over the possibility of the first almost african pres.. you take his words to heart and come here.. you.. like him see a bunch of old white guys clinging to religion and guns as an obstacle to be overcome.. to be crushed.. in order to build a socialist utopia where..   dare I say it?    The oceans themselves will stop rising!!!

lazs

Laz I'm glad you posted this. I will be humble enough to say that over the last few months of reading posts about 2nd amendment rights I have changed my stance on it. I am conservative when it comes to protecting 2nd amendment rights. However, as far as social issues I remain somewhat liberal. I love guns, but I also love people.

The reason for not supporting the NRA is the fact that they don't really take a stand like the Gun Owners of America do. Unfortunately, the NRA is at the forefront of their supposed support for 2nd amendment rights. We need new leadership in order to make change in Washington. As far as John McCain goes, the Gun Owners of America give him an F when it comes to 2nd amendment issues. Ron Paul gets an A.
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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2008, 02:36:59 PM »
twenty fo..  excuse me if I am a bit dubious of your newfound conversion to the cause of our fundamental right to keep and bear arms...

If it is genuine tho..  I must say that I am pleased and you are welcome.   The problem tho..even if true..is that you seem to be at cross purposes and confused.   osama is your man..the democrats are your party..  they are the people and the party of squashing individual gun rights.   This would make you confused to say the least but.. add that to the fact that now you don't think the NRA is doing enough?   very strange.   

You can't support osama and still claim that the NRA endangers your rights don't you see?   Gun owners of America is a good group but it doesn't have the clout of the NRA..  If you listen to your democrat buddies they will tell you that the NRA is evil incarnate.. wanting to hand out machine guns to school kids .   They do not agree with your assesment of the NRA.. they constantly look for "unreasonable" positions the NRA might take.. It would be childs play to make gun owners of America's organization seem radical and marginalize them.

My solution is to support both.. the NRA for their clout and the Gun Owners of America for their ideals..  one thing about it.. most gun groups stick together in the end.

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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2008, 02:49:54 PM »
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The reason for not supporting the NRA is the fact that they don't really take a stand like the Gun Owners of America do. Unfortunately, the NRA is at the forefront of their supposed support for 2nd amendment rights. We need new leadership in order to make change in Washington. As far as John McCain goes, the Gun Owners of America give him an F when it comes to 2nd amendment issues. Ron Paul gets an A.

NRA is the lobbying force in Washington, and they have more of a voice and more influence than a group like GOA could imagine. It can, and often has, been argued that NRA compromises too much and is more interested in the status quo and defense than proactive action. There is likely some degree of truth to that. Big truth or little truth? IMO probably more moderate. It should be noted that NRA was well behind the curve on the Heller suit, brought by the Cato Institute. We will soon see if they were being too conservative or if they were correct in not wanting to push that through SCOUTS.

GOA can, frankly, be a bunch of nuts. They are certainly radical, but they seem to bend the truth to try and steal attention from NRA. Frankly, arriving where we are at with gun control has been an incremental process and reversing the tide will be incremental. GOA often seems to have some very unrealistic expectations and criticizes NRA for common sense at times. My preferred radical organization of choice is Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership (JPFO)which actually produces some good educational materials and is non denominational, by and large. They also help provide a counter voice for firearm ownership within the Jewish community which can also be home to some of the more radical gun control leadership.

Be sure to support you local state organizations as well. The biggest threats today are at the state level.

What's exciting is the extent to which the Internet and grassroots activism has bypassed groups like the NRA in so many areas. Using hubs like The High Road ( www.thehighroad.org ) we can respond to negative print articles letters to the editor, online feedback, media gun control polls, plan marches and be there for counter protests, calls to legislators, etc. immediately and without any centralized guidance. Any of the organizations -- national or state can note something and the community immediately responds. We actually are a huge grassroots operation, and not a handful of professional gun control hacks promoted by the Joyce Foundation (Obama was on the board, btw).

Currently, there is apparently going to be a rally at the Daley center in Chicago on Friday next week -- according to a post in activism at THR. I'll take the half day off work to be there. Similarly, I will not attend a counter demonstration against a Jesse Jackson portest at DSA Arms that Saturday because the company has decided to just ignore jackson and his 20 or so bussed in Operation PUSH lackeys (and Father Phlager, no doubt.) BTW, Father Phlager, yes THAT Phlager, called for legislators voting against gun control and a local gunshop owner to be "snuffed out" at one of the last Jackson rqallys on gun control in Chicago.

We could easily outnumber the Jackson crowd 5 - 1 if we wanted to, just like we did the Calif. -based Lawyers Against Gun Violence group "town hall meeting" in the local community of Naperville a month or so ago :) That was actually pretty funny. Grassroots vs. propaganda and a friendly media is how the battle is waged. The anti's just don't have the grassroots support becasue, well, we just don't really have a non criminal vs criminal firearm violence problem to the extent that most would really care about it. Even in the poorest communities the people realize the problems are far deeper than the murder tool. That's why the mayors really like to keep the attention focused on the tool instead of the real problems.

And, on boards like this we can express a pro gun position to a fairly large audience that otherwise would have to rely on the balance (or lack there of) in the media for such discussions. The post readers still get to decide for themselves, but at least they hear a debate.

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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2008, 08:42:05 AM »
charon.. the JPFO is one of my favorite radical organizations too... it is just toooooo neato.

I mean, they are radical (right tho) but... who can say anything against em?  that would be anti semite right?

You can say whatever you want about a bunch of white guys but... it must really broil the liberals to see a jewish organization that believes in the right to keep and bear arms so strongly.

I also agree, and have said so in the past, that this board is a great place to get out the message.  Well thought out and documented posts like yours and some of the others have probly changed a lot of minds.

I also think that the very best thing any of us gun owners can do is to invite as many people as we can to go shooting with us.  Let them fire our guns and show them what the shooting community is really like.  I have never seen anyone who went shooting that didn't lose at least half their former animostity to the second.

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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2008, 09:08:19 AM »
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I also think that the very best thing any of us gun owners can do is to invite as many people as we can to go shooting with us.  Let them fire our guns and show them what the shooting community is really like.  I have never seen anyone who went shooting that didn't lose at least half their former animostity to the second.

Yeah, that is a powerful and fun way to promote the cause. You can go to the range and see a father and his young daughters shooting, perhaps the 10-year old practicing for a 4-H marksmanship competition. You see former Veterans enjoying the hobby, People are friendly and willing to talk and share.

I took a friend shooting for the first time who is a very socially liberal suburban school teacher. People engaged him in conversation. I went away for a restroom break and came back to find him shooting someone's Ruger .22 whom he had met while I was gone :) My friend actually turned out to be a natural shot and got bored with the .22 browing semi automatic rifle pretty quickly, loved the carbine and the 91/30. Lots of normal, non stereotypical people around. A really fun day. He was truly excited and toyed with the idea of getting his own gun, but the wife shot him down.

As for the JPFO, that came into play too. My friend is Jewish and at our holiday party much later in the year, he admitted that while he enjoying shooting just he couldn't fully get rid of the anti indoctrination -- even though he admitted it was emotional and not logical. In his profession, and in the northern suburbs of chicago and the attitudes of the urban/suburban Jewish community there is a lot of resistance to firearm ownership. I mentioned the JPFO as a group with a particularly Jewish perspective he might connect with and he was really surprised and interested that there are organized Jews who have another perspective on the issue.

Even more oddly, considering stereotypes... The last time I was at the range the only "Bubba" in camouflage was a young man in Israeli fatigues with a Mossad Hit Squad T-Shirt. Mall Ninja or not, ya gotta love it :)

Charon
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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2008, 02:38:28 PM »
yep.. I have never met such polite and generous people as a whole than at ranges and in the shooting sports.   especially it seems.. at outdoor ranges.   People willing to allow you to shoot $5 or more of their ammo out of their $1000 guns.   Eager to talk and cheerful.

Contrast that with a gathering of parents at a sporting event like kids soccer where their are often heated arguements and even fights.

While shooting or at ranges...I have met people with thick accents from countries that never allowed them to own firearms.. they all appreciate our freedoms more than we do.   Anyone who doubts that an armed society is a polite society needs only spend a pleasant afternoon at a range.. preferably during the week when it is not too crowded.   In my experience..  everyone is more than willing to share whatever they have including expertise.

The NRA is responsible for a lot of this.  they are the ones with the marksmanship programs and the ones that will give free plans and packages for anyone wanting to start a range and will train rangemasters.   

We owe the NRA a lot.

lazs

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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2008, 03:21:12 PM »
the originator of this post is truly a clueless dolt...

only beef with NRA is they support more of the $2,ooo Over Under Shotgun old man crowd then the Evil Black rifle crews....

I still pay as long as the limp wristed linguini spinned liberals squeal and pee there pants when the NRA talks...its a good thing


Maybe this poster should join the www.pinkpistols.org

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Re: Down with the NRA!!!!
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2008, 03:24:00 PM »
Al Gore invented "Global Trolling".

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