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Offline Selino631

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New Italian Skins
« on: June 04, 2008, 03:49:55 PM »
Hey, I was wondering if someone could make some Italian skins for these planes. Italy did get some planes from other countries.







That is the only picture I could find for the P-39Q. It is suppose to be a olive color with the Italian Flag or roulet( the circle symbol)
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Re: New Italian Skins
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2008, 06:36:54 PM »
Ok stupid question but what are the 2 cactus looking things on the wings supposed to mean? I don't have a clue?

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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2008, 06:43:11 PM »
Its called the "Faces" pronounced fasees sorry if incorrect spelling, it is the symbol of the facist government of italy. to me it seems more like and axe with twiqs around it. its kind of like the luftwaffe's iorn cross symbol
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Re: New Italian Skins
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2008, 07:32:24 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2008, 07:41:33 PM »
Its called the "Faces" pronounced fasees sorry if incorrect spelling, it is the symbol of the facist government of italy. to me it seems more like and axe with twiqs around it. its kind of like the luftwaffe's iorn cross symbol

The 'faesces', I believe how you spell it, was originally a symbol of the Roman Empire. Mussolini of course wanted to restore the glory of the Roman Empire to Italy. The faesces itself was an ax with a bundle of stick around it (or something similar) that represented the strength of many or unity or something of that nature.

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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2008, 08:37:47 PM »
Actually it was the symbol of a roman magistrates power.



It was used in alot of different contexts and came to actually symbolize the power of rome itself. The term "fascist" is derived from it.

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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2008, 08:41:28 PM »
whats interesting is how often its used even today to symbolize authority.

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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2008, 11:11:33 PM »
We all know most country's started trading under the table during the war with others for plane designs. They later decided to join Hitler and not pay a penny for his scientists genius work, they made the Me 262, flying at 550mph. You did see that 109K, and that 109E with the Italian flag, what does it tell you? The Italians much loved and wanted the designs rather than having to buy them. Rather foolish, and part smart. Either way, Hitler never won, and to see a P-39Q under an Italian flag made it simple to say Russia traded with America, then was conquered by Nazi Germany, and Germany decided to produce more P-39's. Good idea to add more skins!  ;)
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Re: New Italian Skins
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2008, 12:27:44 PM »
whats interesting is how often its used even today to symbolize authority.

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That is interesting humble. Known about the fasces for a long time, but never noticed it was used within the US government.
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2008, 03:54:56 PM »
We all know most country's started trading under the table during the war with others for plane designs. They later decided to join Hitler and not pay a penny for his scientists genius work, they made the Me 262, flying at 550mph. You did see that 109K, and that 109E with the Italian flag, what does it tell you? The Italians much loved and wanted the designs rather than having to buy them. Rather foolish, and part smart. Either way, Hitler never won, and to see a P-39Q under an Italian flag made it simple to say Russia traded with America, then was conquered by Nazi Germany, and Germany decided to produce more P-39's. Good idea to add more skins!  ;)

No.

The 109 was a genius piece of machinery. Not only was it a sexy, well performing piece of art, it was extremely easy to build, even by Germany's comparitively small industrial capacity, making it one of the most produced aircraft of the war, with over 33,000, falling behind only the Yakovlev series and the Il2, the most prolific aircraft of all time with 36,000 or something crazy like that built.. Because of this, Germany supplied most of it's European allies with 109's- Italy, Finland, Romania, et cetera... BTW the two models pictured are a 109G10 or a G6/AS or G14/AS, and a 109G6. No Kurfurst or Emil ;) .
That being said, even Italy's homegrown fighters had an amount of German equipment in them. The two Italian aircraft we have in-game, the Maachi C.202 and C.205, both use the German DB605 (or was the C.202 powered by a 601?) engine. The C.205 has two German MG151/20 20mm autocannons.

I'm 99% sure that the P39 pictured is one sold to Italy post-armistice by the United States. Germany never manufactured any P39's.
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Re: New Italian Skins
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2008, 06:46:30 PM »
We all know most country's started trading under the table during the war with others for plane designs. They later decided to join Hitler and not pay a penny for his scientists genius work, they made the Me 262, flying at 550mph. You did see that 109K, and that 109E with the Italian flag, what does it tell you? The Italians much loved and wanted the designs rather than having to buy them. Rather foolish, and part smart. Either way, Hitler never won, and to see a P-39Q under an Italian flag made it simple to say Russia traded with America, then was conquered by Nazi Germany, and Germany decided to produce more P-39's. Good idea to add more skins!  ;)

well acctuly the Italian Skins on the P-39Q and all other allied planes were the Italian Co-Bellgieant Air Force that flew with the allies after Mussolini was removed from power. the Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana (Italian Socialist Republic) was still loyal to Mussolini's so they flew against allies. Co-Bellgieant is Allied and the Socialist Republic is AXIS and defended Northren Italy until the end of the war.
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2008, 08:35:42 PM »
No.

The 109 was a genius piece of machinery. Not only was it a sexy, well performing piece of art, it was extremely easy to build, even by Germany's comparitively small industrial capacity, making it one of the most produced aircraft of the war, with over 33,000, falling behind only the Yakovlev series and the Il2, the most prolific aircraft of all time with 36,000 or something crazy like that built.. Because of this, Germany supplied most of it's European allies with 109's- Italy, Finland, Romania, et cetera... BTW the two models pictured are a 109G10 or a G6/AS or G14/AS, and a 109G6. No Kurfurst or Emil ;) .
That being said, even Italy's homegrown fighters had an amount of German equipment in them. The two Italian aircraft we have in-game, the Maachi C.202 and C.205, both use the German DB605 (or was the C.202 powered by a 601?) engine. The C.205 has two German MG151/20 20mm autocannons.

I'm 99% sure that the P39 pictured is one sold to Italy post-armistice by the United States. Germany never manufactured any P39's.
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2008, 08:46:59 PM »
I could of sworn i was right. Either im reading my history book sideways or im high every time i read it.  :uhoh
Based on your statement, I'd say a combination of both :rofl
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2008, 08:53:40 PM »
 :lol I was probably high...  :rofl

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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2008, 11:12:08 PM »
We all know most country's started trading under the table during the war with others for plane designs. They later decided to join Hitler and not pay a penny for his scientists genius work, they made the Me 262, flying at 550mph. You did see that 109K, and that 109E with the Italian flag, what does it tell you? The Italians much loved and wanted the designs rather than having to buy them. Rather foolish, and part smart. Either way, Hitler never won, and to see a P-39Q under an Italian flag made it simple to say Russia traded with America, then was conquered by Nazi Germany, and Germany decided to produce more P-39's. Good idea to add more skins!  ;)
Germany never conquered Russia.

Basically everything you stated in this post is wrong.
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