Neutered 109F?

[Adonai]

In AH, the MG-FF is such a steaming pile of crap that 2x7.92mm is better than 2x20mm MG-FF and 2x7.92mm because of the weight savings.

I tried fly 109e a few times and those MG-FF seem like they don't do any damage at all, usually takes more hits in a 109e to take down a plane
then 109f, but your right on a snapshot 109e does have more hitting power so to say.

[Spikes]

Dang...109F's one helluva bird. Landed six today in one, all A2A kills. Got into a turn fight with a Zeke and won too. I landed with 67 cannon rounds left, no damage.

[Platano]

Honestly think gondolas are a waste unless you plan to intercept buffs

you must've never flown a g14 with 20's and Gondies then have you?

still remains the best kept secret. Feels like a G6 on roids. 

[Xargos]

The Bf 109 F-4/R7 had the MG 151/15, not the MG-151/20 gondolas.  The hub cannon was the MG 151/20.

[Pannono]

i prefer the G2
it has slightly more engine power, more external options, and better skins (FAF/MT-201 by Kanttori rules  ) at the expense of maneuverability, but the difference is hardly noticable

[Krusty]

I was just going to point out the same thing pannono. The G-2 is much faster and climbs much better (and better acceleration) than the F-4, but is almost as nimble (very close)

One thing that might make folks notice the differences is that it's heavier. So it might mush through a stall more than the F-4 (hypothetically, I'm not sure I notice it much, but pointing out one problem for heavier planes)

[Saurdaukar]

...but the difference is hardly noticable

I need to disagree.  IMO, the differences between the F4 and the G2 are not only noticeable, but significant.

The F4 is just a sweet ride - no other way to say it, really.  The G2 is more of a compromise, trading that perfect balance for more top end.  While thats all well and good, in the MA, you're still flying a mid-war aircraft and the speed increase over the F4 still doesn't place the G2 amongst the Spit16, 190D, 51D, La7, etc, etc, crowd.

Since most MA fights tend to funnel into a never-ending yank and bank (See:
"109" = think: "Cant turn"), sustained turn performance and stall characteristics are important - both of which favor the F4.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, if you dont want people to be able to run from you - a problem in both the F4 and G2 - and if you want to E-fight in the vert against late-war A/C packing big HP, the K4 is perfectly adept at both roles while the '43-'44 109G's (to a lesser extent the 14) dont really do anything better than any other aircraft in the set.

[Krusty]

I think you under-estimate the top speed of the 109G-2...

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=109g2&p2=spit8&p3=p38j&p4=n1k2

It's faster than the spit8, the p-38j, the 109g6, the n1k2, up til 10k then keeps pace with them. It's faster than teh F4u1d (except below 1k), the F6F5, the P-47D11, all up til 8k, then really only up at about 12-15k do the f4u and p-47 pull ahead.

It's a MAJOR step up from the 109F-4 in regards to speed. You can't catch much in an F-4. You can catch MOST in a G-2. All save the latest-war super speed demons you will be able to catch, especially considering you have 10 minutes of WEP and they only have 5.

[Lusche]

If going into a classical furball, I absolutely prefer the F-4. When the combat zone  is more "drawn out" (don't know how to explain it better) and/or at an higher altitude, I'd chose the G-2.

[Saurdaukar]

I think you under-estimate the top speed of the 109G-2... <snip>

I do not. 

It's faster than the spit8, the p-38j, the 109g6, the n1k2, <snip> F4u1d <snip> F6F5, the P-47D11...

The only aircraft in that list that I would consider "fast" is the D11... diving at a 45 degree angle.

Again, while an advantage exists over the F4, it still isnt enough to compete with the majority of MA aircraft and, therefore not worth the sacrifices to maneuverability, IMO.  Against each aircraft youve listed, I'd take the  F4 without hesitation.

[Krusty]

Hrm... I've just listed over half a dozen of the MOST common MA planes ever used, and shown that the G-2 is faster than all of them, and you still say it's still no good for chasing down planes in the MA?


Fine, whatever.

[Wingnutt]

I love the F aswell, only problem i keep having is I get into it with someone, get behind him, get the kill...  but never get home..  by the time the fight is over Im low on speed and E and the late ware drag racers are closing it..  I end up  dodging LAs and 51s till I run out of gas, only to get mercillesly vulched trying to ditch..

it handles great, has the best view (imo) of any one oh nine, and is probably one of the most satisfying planes to get a kill in..  but its a tough bird to get home when ya get popular.

[VonMessa]

I love the F aswell, only problem i keep having is I get into it with someone, get behind him, get the kill...  but never get home..  by the time the fight is over Im low on speed and E and the late ware drag racers are closing it..  I end up  dodging LAs and 51s till I run out of gas, only to get mercillesly vulched trying to ditch..

it handles great, has the best view (imo) of any one oh nine, and is probably one of the most satisfying planes to get a kill in..  but its a tough bird to get home when ya get popular.

One word to solve that:

Wingman.

Anything less is asking for it.

[Wingnutt]

One word to solve that:

Wingman.

Anything less is asking for it.

one word,  Bishop

having a wingman means he will be with your other 4 wingmen, on the deck chasing a spit16.

[Motherland]

It's the same on every country.
That's why you get someone from your squad who you trust to be your wingman, not someone on country.