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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2008, 06:45:24 PM »
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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2008, 06:47:27 PM »
He's "Pee Wee League" at best.   Feel free to use it.    :rock    You never answered my question above though you old codger. 

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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2008, 07:50:24 PM »
I don't see how that quote is applicable.  No one is giving up freedom for security.....unless you think the freedom to illegally fight US troops abroad. 

Unlawfull combantents do not get protections under the geneva conventions.  They are not foreign soldiers.  If anything, we are following the constitution by detainging them in that Geneva is a signed US treaty, of wich the federal govt is obliged to obey. 

The case has nothing to do with the Geneva convention. It has to do with the US Constitution, which specifically says that habeas can only be suspended upon invasion or rebellion. It's high time Americans and their politicians stopped being scared candyazzes all too ready to suspend the constitution anytime someone says 'boo".
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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2008, 08:02:29 PM »
The case has nothing to do with the Geneva convention. It has to do with the US Constitution, which specifically says that habeas can only be suspended upon invasion or rebellion. It's high time Americans and their politicians stopped being scared candyazzes all too ready to suspend the constitution anytime someone says 'boo".

Doesn't apply to prisoners of war.
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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2008, 08:16:06 PM »
Geeeeesh... just place a chitload of Viagra in their water and bring to trial the last survivor.

Case closed.

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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #65 on: June 12, 2008, 08:21:27 PM »
Doesn't apply to prisoners of war.

Me and 5 smart folks in robes says it does.
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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2008, 08:59:14 PM »
Me and 5 smart folks in robes says it does.

Can't argue that. They have set a precedent we all may regret. Wouldn't it be ironic if we turn one of these terrorists loose who then goes on to set off a nuke in DC or your city? Nah, it'll never happen.
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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2008, 09:01:50 PM »
I am not reading through all the crap and such associated with this post. My point of view on it was when they are captured since they are not technically soldiers but are considered terrorists and I don't think they are covered by the useless Geneva convention is this...torture them when captured...extract all useful time sensitive information and then shoot them while "attempting to escape". Then we would not have any problems with our courts or our media since that would have ended several years ago due to the short attention span that we American's have developed due to our information overload.
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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2008, 09:04:53 PM »
I am not reading through all the crap and such associated with this post. My point of view on it was when they are captured since they are not technically soldiers but are considered terrorists and I don't think they are covered by the useless Geneva convention is this...torture them when captured...extract all useful time sensitive information and then shoot them while "attempting to escape". Then we would not have any problems with our courts or our media since that would have ended several years ago due to the short attention span that we American's have developed due to our information overload.

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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2008, 09:44:55 PM »
The case has nothing to do with the Geneva convention. It has to do with the US Constitution, which specifically says that habeas can only be suspended upon invasion or rebellion. It's high time Americans and their politicians stopped being scared candyazzes all too ready to suspend the constitution anytime someone says 'boo".

But it also says that the federal govt will follow ratified treaties signed by the US GOVT.  The Geneva conventions is one of them and in that the Law of Armed Conflict is clearly defined these few as "Unlawfull combatants".  Again this isn't about Habeas.  I'll have to actually read the ruling to see what the judges said....I admit I havn't.  Either way Geneva is a signed treaty and we are obliged to follow it under the constitutional powers afforded congress.  These guys aren't the same as petty criminals.  They aren't required to be read miranda rights.  Like I said Franklins miss quote doesn't apply here.  No one is giving up freedom.  If anything we are following the constitution. 

A link would be handy but from the orriginal cut and paste it would seem that the SC has only determined they have the right to challenge there status in court.  This wouldn't say they are being held unlawfully or that their rights were infringed apon.  If a court says they are "unlawfull Combatants" well then there's no question.....they are.

I don't think they have a leg to stand on.....typically these guys were engaged in armed conflict with US forces while not wearing a uniform or any country.  They under the Geneva conventions are stuck with what they are labeled.  The US has a constitutional requirment to follow through with that reguardless of what you think of these guys.
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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #70 on: June 12, 2008, 11:20:49 PM »
This is a tragic ruling.
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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2008, 05:00:28 AM »
basic human rights have always impeded the proper functioning of the empire's quest for world socialism... it always has and it always will.


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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2008, 06:20:30 AM »
Yeah but Jack Bauer is a fictional character. Real soldiers worry about consequences and their families.

Who is Jack Bauer? If it is or was a television character I try to stay as far as possible from any shows on network television unless they are comedy and even then its a 50/50 toss up about me watching it.
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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #73 on: June 13, 2008, 07:34:51 AM »
Again this isn't about Habeas.  I'll have to actually read the ruling to see what the judges said....

Again, it is, and yes you do.
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Re: BREAKING: Supreme Court backs rights for Guantanamo detainees
« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2008, 07:43:25 AM »
Again, it is, and yes you do.

I stand corrected but disagree.  Franklins quote is still not applicable.  This does not give us "little security" and we are not giving up "essential liberty" 

The court itself was deeply divided.  I'm with Justice Roberts on this one:

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Chief Justice John Roberts, in his own dissent to Thursday's ruling, criticized the majority for striking down what he called "the most generous set of procedural protections ever afforded aliens detained by this country as enemy combatants."