Ta152 ENY

[moot]

It doesn't deserve an ENY of 5.  The P51D merits a lower ENY than it, and is at 8.  The 152's ENY should be around 10 or so.

[DPQ5]

i agree with you, even thow you got me in the 152 several times today

[Husky01]

Agreed.

[EskimoJoe]

I heavily disagree! Have you EVER flown one of those beasts at 35k!?! Insane!!

[mensa180]

I heavily disagree! Have you EVER flown one of those beasts at 35k!?! Insane!!

I'm sure m00t has logged more than enough hours in the 152 for his opinion to have worth. 

[Widewing]

I heavily disagree! Have you EVER flown one of those beasts at 35k!?! Insane!!

It does well at 35k, but the P-47N is faster, climbs better and will turn circles around it at 35k. The P-47N justly carries an ENY of 5. I agree that the Ta 152, which cannot carry ordnance like the P-47N, should have a higher ENY of no less than 10.

My regards,

Widewing

[BnZ]

I agree entirely moot!

10 ENY for the 152? More like 15-20 I should think. It is certainly no better than the D9 or 109s for MA play.

The P-47N justly carries an ENY of 5.

Just? Not hardly. Not in the same AHII where almost all fighting is below 10K, where the La7/Spit16 also have an ENY of 5, and where the 109K4/Yak9U carry an ENYs of 20!!!

[moot]

Well, I think the 152 is better than all the other 190s.  Not by much, and in some aspects it's a lot worse, but all things considered it's more of a killer than them. Any more than the D9's ENY would be too high, imo.

The 47N - It's a hot rod, not just A2A but A2G.. I think the ENY is really close to what it should be.  It's not hard to argue that it's better than the 51D (on an ENY scale).. So what's left?  6 or 7, or 5 as it is.  No big deal in this case..

[Anaxogoras]

If the 47N were better for arena play than the 51D, then you'd see more 47N's than 51D's.

Honestly, ENY values are arbitrary and merely appear to sometimes reflect reality.

[Bosco123]

Agreed.

[moot]

If the 47N were better for arena play than the 51D, then you'd see more 47N's than 51D's.

Honestly, ENY values are arbitrary and merely appear to sometimes reflect reality.

No, the 47N is definitely a little better than the 51D.  You see more 51Ds because most players don't know any better.

[lyric1]

No, the 47N is definitely a little better than the 51D.  You see more 51Ds because most players don't know any better.

In & agree on 152. Most people are not going to climb to 35k in a N-jug. Trust me I have been there plenty of times looking for cons they are few & far between. If you take the time to get to 35k in a N-JUG & do find some high Buffs it is a hoot.

[Anaxogoras]

I thought the question was whether the 47N was a better aircraft than the 51D for the arena, not whether it was good at 35k ft.

No, the 47N is definitely a little better than the 51D.  You see more 51Ds because most players don't know any better.

  Same reasoning for the 152 vs the 190D-9?  Normally I don't praise majority opinion, but for the purpose of determining the best arena aircraft, the public has spoken.  I think the biggest weakness in your argument is that you have to assume that "most players" are less intelligent than they really are, because even mediocre pilots can figure out which aircraft perform the best with a little time.

[moot]

The 47N is better than the 51D, and the D9 is slightly less lethal than the 152.  There's no arguing that, whether or not most of the players manage to exploit the more difficult edge the latter has on the D9.
"Vox populi, vox dei."

And I didn't say most of the players aren't smart enough, you did.

even mediocre pilots can figure out which aircraft perform the best with a little time

Wrong.

[Anaxogoras]

The 47N is better than the 51D, and the D9 is slightly less lethal than the 152.  There's no arguing that, whether or not most of the players manage to exploit the more difficult edge the latter has on the D9.
"Vox populi, vox dei."

And I didn't say most of the players aren't smart enough, you did. Wrong.

Where?   I didn't say that you said it, I said you have to assume it (to rationalize your argument).

Secondly, moot, I've seen you do this before... "wrong" with no argument.  What gives?  As if your case is so strong that you don't have to argue for it?