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Re: Obama a Racist ?
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2008, 10:17:33 AM »
So the young folks are rebelling against the beliefs of the older generation? Isn't that what got us rock and roll.   That music is too loud!!! When I was your age I would get up an hour before I went to bed to go to work. You guys sound like a bunch of old women. Surprising the excuse racists use to justify there beliefs. 
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Re: Obama a Racist ?
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2008, 10:24:31 AM »
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« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2008, 10:41:16 AM »
Mo...you haven't got a clue.

The counterculture movement of the 60's was, for the most part, nonviolent.  It bears no comparison whatsoever to the cultural tide currently sweeping over the black youth of this country.

The older generation of blacks fought for their rights in much the same manner as did the Indians under Gandhi's leadership in the late 1940's;  with nonviolence, dignity, courage, and nobility.  None of those terms can be applied to the gangsta counterculture. 

Many of that thuggish crowd don't even come from the ranks of the poor;  they are the children of middle-class blacks.  They have embraced this culture of violence for one simple reason;  hate is intoxicating and empowering.  They get off on frightening whites and older blacks and asiatics and other, different, ethnic groups.  They are blatantly racist, homophobic, sexist, violent, and drug-addicted.  They would laugh at the old homily "There is no holier water than a working man's sweat."  That is, if they even understand it.

By so blatantly embracing evil, in all its forms, they have abandoned their humanity.  Their movement has no redeeming social value whatsoever.  Those that are deeply rooted in this movement are almost irredeemable;  a lost generation.

And yet, there are still those that profess to "understand" where they're coming from....and make excuses for them.

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Re: Obama a Racist ?
« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2008, 11:01:22 AM »
 Black Panthers where pretty non violent, as where the Hells angels.  Things have changed, you've just gotten older and haven't kept up with the times, also  buying into a bunch of over hyped media junk.  Race is not an issue today as it was 10 years ago, only the older generation are holding onto the hate.   It is also a testament to our failing educational system.

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« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2008, 11:19:42 AM »
Youngster, the Black Panthers and the Hell's Angels were fringe groups, with nowhere near the number of members to be found in the Crips, Bloods, and a host of other gangs.  And if you don't think race is still an issue today, then take a midnight stroll through one of their neighborhoods.

Age has little to do with it.  Most of the gang-bangers are in their teens and early twenties.  Education has little to do with it.  Many people who lived during the Great Depression were poor and illiterate, yet they didn't turn to violence.  Many of the most violent and despicable of the Nazi leaders captured at the end of WW II were given an IQ test, to see how they stacked up against their contemporaries.  As a group, they tested well above average.

I work in a prison unit for junvenile offenders.  Thus, I deal with gang-bangers every day.  When they're by themselves, they're easier to deal with....but the racism, contempt for women, and the undercurrent of violence and the willingness to use it to intimidate, are always there.  It only takes two or three of them to destabilize an entire dorm. Some of the little buggers have planned murders while under our care.  They've killed 75 year old grandfathers and 7 year old girls.  One beat a local black lady to death in a most gruesome fashion.

So, don't make excuses for them...and don't get all righteous about them when discussing them with me.  I KNOW what they are....violent, thrill-seeking, woman abusing, racist thugs.


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Re: Obama a Racist ?
« Reply #65 on: June 17, 2008, 11:52:47 AM »
"Have you forgotten, that once we were brought here, we were robbed of our name, robbed of our language, we lost our religion, our culture, our gods... and many of us by the way we act, we even lost our mind."  -MLK

All were offered a free ride back to their homeland, heck, even a country was created for them. Few took it. Little room to complain about being robbed after refusing restitution. Long past time to put the past in the past. Many black people have proven that our society today isn't so oppressive that they cannot succeed who are willing to work hard. Success without hard work, if even possible, is empty and unsatisfying. 
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Re: Obama a Racist ?
« Reply #66 on: June 17, 2008, 11:56:40 AM »
moot...
It isn't.  You're excusing a context-specific pattern by removing the context and pointing out that, as such, it's a common and not inherently condemnable pattern.  Of course it isn't - you removed the context that made it so.  
It doesn't matter if they're rebelling, and/or against the older generation, and/or against its beliefs.  Rock & roll was music, it was art, and art isn't arguable. Arguing taste is absurd.  Arguing ethics isn't, because unlike the (by principle) nebulous grounds of taste, ethics have definite premises and conclusions that appeal to reason, which is anything but relative.
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Re: Obama a Racist ?
« Reply #67 on: June 17, 2008, 12:12:48 PM »
 It's like 1950 Selma Alabama in here. 

  Moot, criminals are criminals, no matter what race.  To lump an entire race into a stereotypical behavior is wrong.  I do like the word nebulous, that's defiantly a +3 on your scorecard.


 defiantly = definitely ,  thank you moot for pointing out my mistake.
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Re: Obama a Racist ?
« Reply #68 on: June 17, 2008, 12:19:24 PM »
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Is Obama a racist?

He's half white, of course he's racist!
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Re: Obama a Racist ?
« Reply #69 on: June 17, 2008, 01:16:05 PM »
 
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Moot, criminals are criminals, no matter what race.  To lump an entire race into a stereotypical behavior is wrong.  I do like the word nebulous, that's defiantly a +3 on your scorecard.
That's your excuse for relativizing?  Who lumped an entire race like that, and how does it warrant your relativizating it? 
Don't you mean "definitely"?  Does that lower your scorecard, or mine?  Where do I cash in my score, and do I get my score adjusted for my vocabulary fishing from more than the american vocabulary pool you seem to be restricted to?? Yikes!  I didn't know there was grammatical score-keeping in here, guess I'm not up to date on the latest young & hip trends  :eek:
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« Reply #70 on: June 17, 2008, 01:36:18 PM »
 You are very much out of date.  You get negative points for being a grammar nazi.  Just when I was thinking you where smart and witty you had to go and trivialize yourself.  I believe it was Shuckins that said, "So, don't make excuses for them...and don't get all righteous about them when discussing them with me.  I KNOW what they are....violent, thrill-seeking, woman abusing, racist thugs." You do get extra points for latin. American vocabulary pool, that's a hoot.

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Re: Obama a Racist ?
« Reply #71 on: June 17, 2008, 01:48:18 PM »
The start of the thread I'm refering to is tied to MLK's work being in vain.  That's what's not excusable by merely "being hip & trendy".

The semantics fuss - You get into a fit because I use one word that fits the bill exactly, but doesn't ring a bell in your head, and I'm the grammar nazi.. Someone's anal and it isn't me.
"American vocabulary pool" is exactly the sort of excessively compounded sentences you get when you dodge words that reduce multiple ideas into one word only because they're "fancy" or somehow foreign; you confirmed my point.
defiantly = definitely ,  thank you moot for pointing out my mistake.
Who gives a crap, that's a rhetorical question.  I knew what you meant.
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« Reply #72 on: June 17, 2008, 02:23:22 PM »
  I think Obama being this close to the office of President is a testament to MLK and proves beyond a doubt that his words and actions where not in vain.  I guess I should have said spelling nazi instead of grammar, sorry about that.

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Re: Obama a Racist ?
« Reply #73 on: June 17, 2008, 02:49:12 PM »
mojava.. you have the best knack for ignoring the elephant in the room of any person I have seen in recent memory.

Even when someone slams your head into it you make excuses for why it it really not there.   To compare rock and roll rebellion with the current "black culture" is laughable and sad at the same time.


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Re: Obama a Racist ?
« Reply #74 on: June 17, 2008, 02:59:24 PM »
That's why I'm laughing while I'm crying.
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