Historians See Little Chance for McCain

[TwentyFo]

name ONE time he has done this in his "career".

In the US Senate he helped establish a website for the public to track government spending. This was a bipartisan example of him working with both repugnicans and democrats.

Twentyfo shoots and scores!!!!

[ZetaNine]

In the US Senate he helped establish a website for the public to track government spending. This was a bipartisan example of him working with both repugnicans and democrats.

Twentyfo shoots and scores!!!!

there are already several bipartisan non-govt groups who have been doing that for decades.

[NOT]

putting ones name on something that he had nothing to with implementing isn't really worth celebrating, IMHO. i doubt he could turn on his own computer, much less develop a web site.
so, step carefully away from the koolaid and no one will get hurt.
i truly believe if obama was Caucasian, with nothing else about his life different, he would never have gotten a single vote. and before you think i am a mccain supporter, think again. i'm hoping an age related health issue will make him drop out soon. i feel the american people should have the option to start the process over when all the candidates are tools.




NOT

[DREDIOCK]

Obama HAS no history of reaching across the aisle to cooperate with the Republican opposition.

Actually he was slightly better at reaching across the isle then Hillary.
Byt something like .7% LOL

[Saxman]

I still say fire everyone in Washington and disqualify all current office-holders or office-SEEKERS from running in the resulting elections to fill out the new government.

[DREDIOCK]

I still say fire everyone in Washington and disqualify all current office-holders or office-SEEKERS from running in the resulting elections to fill out the new government.

I'll drink to that one.

Then again.

I'll drink to almost anything.

I do second the motion though

[JB88]

burp.

[JB88]

osamabama is also a racist of the worst kind..

lazs

i tend to look at him racially only from the standpoint that i think that his racial perspective is enough to outweigh the content of his character.  his character is smooth and unknown, polished and assuming, radical in all the right ways.  he's a sales pitch.  whereas colin powel seems to be a man who sees beyond this barrier and sought to succeed as a man, not as a black man.  he is a man with an appropriate character.


is it obama as a man or obama as a black man that negates him for you?

[Charon]

Charon....I totally respect your opinon about the "Illinois political machine". However, when Obama mentions "reaching across party lines to work on issues" I believe him. He always stresses the importance of working together to solve some of the issues Americans face. He is a very inspiring individual that I think could help lead this country in a positive direction.

I believe that's McCain's reputation (reaching across the aisle), actually supported by his record. Of course, that's mostly on issues I tend to disagree with like his amnesty policy. Not a big McCain fan. But, what a sorry field of candidates from both parties, finalists included. It was at least neat so see Paul remind us of the Constitution and the ideal of a small federal govt. for a few months.

I posted a link to Obama's voting record not too long ago. Didn't really make too many votes that went against the party. He may stress this, or orate that, but he didn't deliver in Illinois. Didn't inspire outside the party machine. Didn't really attack any of the pressing issues (and there are some serious ones) this state faces. For example, supported party hacks with links to corruption at the expense of his constituents. At the state level mostly passed (was given credit for) other people's legislation by his mentor Emil Jones. Posted a link on that earlier as well. Hasn't done much at the federal level except support agribusiness pork projects. Now, I suppose bringing home the pork is part of the job description in Washington today -- but that's very much business as usual.

The people backing him don't support changing the system (Ted K and Soros). The money flowing into his campaign doesn't support changing the system (Wall Street). His history in Illinois and the little he has in Washington doesn't show much interest in changing the system. Now, if by change you mean being a Democratic party player in the traditional manner while pushing an agenda at the Ted Kennedy left wing spectrum of the party then he's your man. But, you will not see ANY unity with that platform -- hell, even most of the new conservative Democrats won't like it.

If you could comfortably vote for either Ted Kennedy or Dick Durbin then IMO you won't be disappointed in what you get from Obama. And there are certainly people who would have no problem with that. But not enough to win him an election if he can't keep the smoke and mirrors rolling for a few more months.

[EDIT: Having said that, there's too little record to really know the man. What he's done so far from his legislative record to his "activism" to his choice of church was what was required to rise up in Illinois politics. We are a very liberal state (because of Chicago) that is comparable to California or Mass. Hardly moderate or mainstream in the party here. His associates, confidants and personal comments (and those of his wife) do suggest he is an actual true believer at the far left of the political spectrum. However, he might be a politician first and foremost like the Clintons, and adjust his reality to suit a more moderate America once he gets the big Job. However, if he also has a strong Democratic majority in Congress he may not have to.]

Charon

[Yeager]

The simple fact that Obama is the democratic nominee pretty much guarantees my vote for McCain.  As much as McCain worries me with his left of right positions on everything, he (McCain) is far preferable to Obama at every level, far as I can tell.

I am still Open to seeing how the two men choose to debate, and the genuine content (if any) of those debates, but my doubts about Obama's experience and his (Obama's) far left voting record in the Senate pretty much cinches the deal for McCain.

The final analysis: I cast my vote and I live with the results just like everyone else.

[JB88]

mccain is going to have to spank him down hard.

on television he is going to appear weak and infirm if he doesnt come out strong.

he better start training hard in his mind.

theme from rocky hard.

there are no givens here. 

[angelsandair]

88.. I see you as a thinking liberal.. this means nothing but that you are on the cusp.   What happens to thinking liberals is they get fed up with being lied to... with "the end justifies the means" .

I think also that you are not really a liberal in the socialist modern meaning of the term.. more like a Charlton Heston in the 50's kind of liberal.   I can't imagine that you will not find yourself in the libertarian or individualist camp.   I believe that you have been surrounded with modern liberals from the artsy crowd.. who are... give em credit..  cool and witty.   Just as so many are seduced by osamabamas oratory style.. many are seduced by what seems like witty from the socialists... satire and clever wit are more the perview of the modern liberal than of the conservative or.. even more so.. the libertarian or individualist.

The modern liberal is a follower of the cult of personality.   osamabama personifies this..

in my opinion.   

I think you suffer from the curse of intelligence and an overdeveloped sense of honesty.   These things get in the way of political party following but are death to anyone wanting to follow the liberal socialist cult of personality.

lazs

But obama is a Marxist, he studied that in colledge, McCain could use that against him. 

[JB88]

mccain is the prodigal son of barry goldwater.

[zuii]

Obama is a Marxist and a Communist. I dont think he is a racist, i do think he is a bigot, he has kept close company for many years with many well known Bigots! (the term racist and bigot are often tossed around in a haphazard manner). Get ready boys, coming to a white house near you, from the ideas that brought you Lenin and Stalin we gona have "Daddy Obama!"  Big Brother government at its finest.


 


zuii

[lazs2]

skyrock.. you are not the most slavishly ignorant socialists I have seen but you are in the middle somewhere.


twenty foe...  osamabama says that he will bring us together.   I can bring us together too if I can use the police and the government to crush anyone who does not feel exactly like I do (or at least pretend to).   I don't want a politician to bring us together by taking away my guns and taking my money and giving it to someone who has less.   I don't want anyone to bring us together by taking away my freedom.

lazs