Collisions

[Hristo]

Yes, we can live thru collisions etc, but...

Does anyone have a feeling that we collide a bit to often, maybe ?
As if the collisions detection is based upon a larger airframe than the one we fly ?


Any feedback ?

[leonid]

I don't get that impression, hristo.  Most of the times I've collided I was expecting it.  Another interesting point: of all the collisions I've had there was only one that was immediately fatal.  After playing brand W for so many years, this collision code rocks.

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129 IAP VVS RKKA

[Hristo]

I agree that it is better than WB one.

Still, on few occasions it seemed a bit funny. I know about inertia though  

[Fishu]

I remember when I wen't on same flight through spitfire and C-47 (he he), right through, even could see the cockpit of C-47 (out of ammo, heroic ramming attempt).
Then I have collided right through but lost elevator (looks like my wing hit only nikis paper tail and it engine must've hit my elevator...)
Then I've experienced collisions where other guy has flown very close by me, but still not enough to collide, but it's been counted as collision (planes drags collision area after them?)
Then I've seen planes below me nicely 30 yards and boom, collision..

My collision experiements, partially deserved, partially been unbelievable..

[TT]

 For me, the # 1 pain in the prettythang in WB was the collisions. Here they are perfect. Please leave them alone.

[wabbit]

Yes, The Collisions are perfect and need no adjusting at this time. Much improved over
Warbirds!!!!!!!!

[Hristo]

Please, nobody is saying that collisions should be as in WB !! This collision code is way ahead of WB collision code.

We all know how frustrating it felt there.

What I want to say that these still need some tweaking IMHO.

Why ? Well, I had a fight with La-5FN at 25 k (?!). My 109 could clearly outperform it at that alt, and I got on his 6, while he squeezed everything out of his zoom and went for Split S. He ended above me, flying almost vertically down. Next second I saw him whizz above me canopy, still pointing down. OK, close encounter, but not a collision. But, with similar AH collision experiences, I just knew my FE would report collision. And it did. Instant death.

I filmed the fight and watched it in slow motion many times. It was a collision course, but La passed above my plane, with 1-2 meters being the closest range.  

Yes, I admit it vas VERY close to collision, but we should not collide there. Not to mention instant death  

[bloom25]

I agree, colision code is good, with one exception.  After dropping troops on a field, and turning around to land, an n1k appeared on the runway.  Desperately trying to stop it, I touched down and headed right for it.  I went right through it, I could see the n1ks cockpit and all.  (I think the n1k pilot was just as surprised as I was.   )  Fortunately for me, I scared the n1k so bad, he couldn't shoot straight and I captured the base anyway.  Can we please add unfriendly ground colisions?  Other than that, I like the colision model the way it is.

[Hristo]

Now do you think is this a collision ?

   
   
   
   
   
   
   


Sorry for 7 pics, but this is only for you to see what I am trying to say. Planes, at least 109, have some 'collision bubble' above them.

This was very close, but not a collision. I lost both wings, half elevator, engine and who knows what else there !

Interestingly enough, the tail (which was closes to the Niki) was undamaged.

From now on it is 30mm for me, so I shoot my way through  

[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 12-31-1999).]

[Vermillion]

Hristo your FE showed a miss by 18 yards, but I wonder what the other guys' FE showed (yep a collision).

When his showed the collision it told your FE "we hit and here is how your damaged" even though yours thought you missed.



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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires "

[leonid]

Very valid point, verm.  Especially in online games, there are always two sides to the story.  


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leonid, aka grisha
129 IAP VVS RKKA

[Hristo]

But, but, hey...!!

I thought this issue was solved before, in WB. You collide only if you collide on your FE. Only fair with netlag. Though it took time for me to get damaged, just as long as it usually takes for hits to get reported (about 1 second).

You are not saying that AH has different approach, are you ? That both get damaged if one collided on his FE only. Hmmm.....

[Hristo]

Just to be sure, I went to arena and tried to ram someone. Not an easy task, I might say, they kind of evade when I am d1 behind  

Rammed a Spit in P 51, got hurt badly and crashed. Now, is this a collision ?!


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, my appologies for too many pics.

Spit was not damaged. I watched him climb for a minute or two and leaving for the nearest furball  

Who can explain the time between the moment that Niki and I passed each other and when my plane started falling apart ? Same happened with Spit.

Getting close is essential to 109 flying. With this collision code it just isn't fair, sorry, had to say it.

[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 12-31-1999).]

[Sorrow[S=A]]

Yes! it's unfair that in a collision only 1 person gets damage! I had an accidental collision with a spit and to my disbelief the guy had no damage at all while I was headed down in flames! If there is a collision let both get damage.

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If your in range, so is the enemy.

[Hristo]

Sorrow, I disagree.

This is an old issue that was solved in WB long ago.

Let's say you want to ram someone. He realizes it and tries to evade. However, he can evade the collision only on his FE. He can't evade the collision on your FE too(different position of planes due to netlag), he doesn't see the situation on your FE. So, you ram him on your FE, even if he managed to avoid the collision on his FE.
So, you get damaged because you collided, but he should not because he avoided the colision. As simple as that.

How would you feel to get damaged in a collision with a guy that was 100-200 yards behind and 50 yards above in your FE, but who rammed you in his FE ?

I think it works here. You collide only if you collided on your FE (notice that in my Spit ramming he wasn't damaged, even though I lost both wings - quite a collision).

The reason I posted these pics is for everyone to see that collision code is NOT good. Far from perfect. I expected a lot more replies, because it is obvious that I passed that Spit in P 51. And lost both wings ? Like my plane is a size of a B 17 or something.

And this 'random' collision code hurts 109 the most. These is no 500 yards killing Hispanos or .50 cals. You have to get close to kill. Plus the plane compresses at high speeds. Now ad this unfair collision modeling and thing are just not fair.

In WB the designers hesitated to admit there was a collision bubble. In different versions its size was changed etc, but it always was - the bubble. Plus you always got killed when you collided.

In AH you don't get killed but lose parts. Very good approach. I can't say if there is a bubble, but I sure had some close passes that were interpreted as collisions.

Also, I lived through what should be fatal collisions. On one situation I passed through a plane in HO. It was at moderate speed, I could just see inside the plane for a split second. It should have been instant death. What damage did I get ? An oil leak !!

 



[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 01-01-2000).]