Same sex weddings could be economic boon?

[AKIron]

Constitutionality trumps popular opinion, Iron- as it should. Would you want it any other way?

I would not. I'm all for keeping the government out of our private lives and out of my pocket. Seems that some of those who support the former have no problem with the latter though.

[lazs2]

mt.. it is amazing that you can't follow simple logic.   If it is "unfair" that one group gets a bennie over all others then that is unfair to all the others...  in this case.. hetro couples get a bennie that "discriminates" against all other relationships.

If there is a reason for it that is good for everyone..  in this case... raising children in a two parent home with a man and a woman to influence their development.....

Then it is not quite so unfair.. there is a plus for everyone involved and a reason to support the "discrimination"

If you add one more group (of many) to the mix but still exclude all others it is not more "fair"  unless you can prove that the same rules apply.. in this case.. that this new group is giving the rest of us the same bennie (that of raising our future citizens in the best way possible with a man and a woman to influence them)

It is even more idiotic and unfair if you realize that several of the groups like polygamists would have been more logical to include than gays given the rules and the reasons for marriage.

You will at least admit I hope that polygamy has would be better than gay marriage at achieving a goal of raising kids?

lazs

[midnight Target]

You will at least admit I hope that polygamy has would be better than gay marriage at achieving a goal of raising kids?

lazs

Prove it.

[lazs2]

now you are getting desperate... and avoiding the debate...

polygamy has one advantage over gay marriage and no disadvantages... it gives a child the influence of a male and a female role model to grow up with.. and....they are not sexual minorities that he can't (if he or she is hetro).. can't identify with and who can't identify with him/her.   

If polygamy were legal then there would be no stigma so it would be accepted and there would be no disadvantage to the child at all... with gays raising kids..  it is like martians  raising em so far as sexuality and all that implies and all that goes along with our sexuality is concerned.   Like I said.. I have gay relatives and they don't get me and I don't get them so far as that is concerned..

I certainly don't mind that kids are exposed to gay lifestyles but gays raising them is a whole nother level.  Kids need to be around loving parents who are like them.   Not some small sexual minority with a chip on its shoulder at worst and simply alien to them at best.

With polygamy the kid would be exposed to loving parents who had the same sexual orientation.. who would understand them..  they would be able to see the differences between men and women... both good and bad .

lazs

[midnight Target]

So you proved it based on your feelings and intuition? Maybe some hard evidence would be better...

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07161/793042-51.stm

Research suggests that they turn out about the same, no better, no worse and no more likely to be gay than other kids

http://www.rossde.com/editorials/childrenofgays.html

Children are not harmed when raised by same-sex couples, studies confirm.

[Mojava]

 Laz your opinion offers no proof, and as far as MT avoiding the debate, you can only have a debate with open minded people, which you Laz are not.  Your ability to stereotype everything you come in contact with, limits your chances to see things from different perspectives. 

[lazs2]

These are not studies in any sense of the word.. they are tiny little control groups.. did you see how many were studied? 

One the one hand... you have the entire hetro community with all the marriages that are made... good and bad.. and on the other..you have a tiny little group of gays who are outstanding in their dedication and education and are far above average in just about every category.

As any tom tom and jane jane is allowed to marry you will find the numbers swinging..  the fact is that gays are far more prone (at least males) to infidelity and dangerous lifestyles including drinking and drugs.

lazs

[midnight Target]

You're a control group of 1 lazs, I think these studies have you beat.

[lazs2]

mt.. hardly a group of one... It is unfortunate that science has become so agenda driven and politicized...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29901,00.html

I linked fox out of laziness.. the real study is stacey and biblarz but the gist of there study is that the ones you link are flawed in some very important ways.. not to mention...

your studies admit that lesbians raising children create feminized males and that girls raise by them experiment more with gay sex in significant numbers along with being more promiscuous..

these results are not what I consider the best way to raise our future generation...

lazs

[lazs2]

but... even so.

We are not talking about raising a future generation here...  gay couples can not have children..it is impossible.

No, we are talking about a tiny little fraction of the population.. gays.. of which a tiny little fraction want to get married of which a tiny little fraction of that tiny little fraction want to have kids by adopting the tiny fraction of unwanted children or those who have escaped the abortion factories or by being impregnated outside of their union.

No, the future of Americas child rearing still is best done with the institution of marriage as we have defined it.  hell.. with the exception of insemination and loveless couplings.. the gays have only the castoffs of the misguided portion of the straight population to raise.  The population could not sustain with gays.

If anything.. gays should have to wait in line behind polygamists who are really the ones being discriminated against here if anyone is... they absolutely can concieve and raise their own children and have a history of doing so and would have done so even more if they had not been persecuted and hunted down for the last couple of centuries here.

Nope...  just as adding one language out of hundreds to the ones recognized and catered to by our people and government makes it more unfair  not less...  grafting gay marriage onto the conventional one makes things less fair.. it points out even more that every other kind of relationship is discriminated against and... for no reason now.

lazs

[CAP1]

but... even so.

We are not talking about raising a future generation here...  gay couples can not have children..it is impossible.

technically, not true..........ask your gay friends.....they'll be able to tell ya how it can be done.

[moot]

No amount of law will make gays be any less ghey.

[lazs2]

no cap.. why don't you tell me how it is possible.   My gay friends don't know how it can be done without the help of one or the other of the opposite gender.

lazs

[Carrel]

Turkey baster, for the Lesbians. Close your eyes and pretend it's Funkedup, for the gays.

[CAP1]

no cap.. why don't you tell me how it is possible.   My gay friends don't know how it can be done without the help of one or the other of the opposite gender.

lazs

my brother did it. a friend of his carried the baby for them. she also is gay.......and so far, their daughter is comming up just like a normal 8 year old brat of a kid