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Offline GtoRA2

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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2008, 02:30:07 PM »
Quote from: Curval on June 18, 2008, 06:57:46 AM
bj229r...why do you hate the EU?

Thats easy! It's filled with Euros...  :aok
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Offline Gh0stFT

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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2008, 02:36:58 PM »
lasz2, its difficult to combine 27 members, its a hard and long way,
(compared to your country with just two other countrys in the north & south ;)
Europe is on a good way, compared to 70 years ago! Better work togheter then against each other.
Imho, most problem lies in the education and misunderstanding the whole thing.
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2008, 02:40:42 PM »
Quote from: Gh0stFT on June 18, 2008, 02:36:58 PM
lasz2, its difficult to combine 27 members, its a hard and long way,
(compared to your country with just two other countrys in the north & south ;)
Europe is on a good way, compared to 70 years ago! Better work togheter then against each other.
Imho, most problem lies in the education and misunderstanding the whole thing.

Our country started out as individual states, we now have 50 in one union. Hasn't always been easy to keep them united and may prove impossible in the future. Who knows?
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2008, 02:42:50 PM »
ghost.. you did not address the issue.   I agree that you should "educate" the POTENTIAL people in the union but simply not giving them any choice at all "for their own good"  seems to me to be exactly the kind of thing that makes me hate socialism.

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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2008, 02:43:40 PM »
yes AKIron good point!, but almost all of our 27 Countrys speak a different language ;) *pweh*
 
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2008, 02:46:37 PM »
does the fact that they speak so many different  languages negate their right to vote in your opinion?

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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2008, 02:56:29 PM »
no lasz2, i'm not against their voting, dont misunderstud me, how and why should i?
what i wanted to say is, the people dont know why to vote yes, so whats left is a no.
And the "why" is a education question to understand the whole progress. It maybe takes
more time then people thought.
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2008, 03:02:48 PM »
the eu was designed for one thing... to stop europe from subsidizing the american economy and offer the world another alternative to american dollar socialism... looks like it's working to.
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2008, 03:04:48 PM »
Quote from: Torque on June 18, 2008, 03:02:48 PM
the eu was designed for one thing... to stop europe from subsidizing the american economy and offer the world another alternative to american dollar socialism... looks like it's working to.

The fat lady ain't sang, yet.
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2008, 03:06:18 PM »
One answere could be, Ireland failed to qualify for Euro 2008 Football championship
who is running right now :D
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2008, 03:18:25 PM »
well... the neocon socialists are trying their best to keep the subsidy going... just look at the empire's hydrocarbon law they're forcing iraq to sign as a good example.

seems they want no part of it either...
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2008, 03:32:42 PM »
Quote from: Gh0stFT on June 18, 2008, 02:56:29 PM
no lasz2, i'm not against their voting, dont misunderstud me, how and why should i?
what i wanted to say is, the people dont know why to vote yes, so whats left is a no.
And the "why" is a education question to understand the whole progress. It maybe takes
more time then people thought.

The people don't know WHY to vote yes? And it will take more time to educate them to know WHY. Why is your WHY superior to their WHY by the way? You sound like a soviet political officer I met who tried to explain why communism was good. Sounded much the same then as you sound now.

Or...... is it the 40-65 year olds who are too smart to be pushed into the EU who will vote NO in all 27 countries? So does more time to educate simply mean waiting for that generation to get old and feeble while you indoctrinate their children and grand children into mindless BORG compliance?

What do the voters in Ireland know that the EU decided the populations of 26 countries were too ""WHY"" stupid to know? On the other hand just follow the Money and Power trail. Napoleon would be proud.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2008, 04:18:06 PM »
Quote from: bustr on June 18, 2008, 03:32:42 PM
On the other hand just follow the Money and Power trail.

that's exactly what the irish have done, perhaps all those paddy jokes were not jokes at all  :devil
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2008, 04:35:18 PM »
Does the EU have the option to vote out countries?,   Maybe they can make it like Americian idol and have them phone in the vote:)
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2008, 06:14:13 PM »
Quote from: Dowding on June 18, 2008, 06:55:51 AM
bj - Ireland's economy is doing well precisely because of the EU. It's not because of independent action on their part, as Straffo points out.
Yes, I've read that--the feeling seems to be that Ireland 'owes' them. But the biggest reason Ireland is the economic juggernaut  NOW,  (2nd highest GDP in the EU, after Luxembourg) is their grasp of capitalism, which seems to elude many European countries
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The country has one of the world's most business-friendly environments, especially for investment, and enjoys the European Union's second-highest GDP per capita. In January 2003, the government lowered the corporate tax rate to 12.5 percent—far below the EU average. Because of its pro-business government policies, Ireland receives a substantial portion of U.S. investment directed at the EU
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The overall freedom to start, operate, and close a business is strongly protected by Ireland's regulatory environment. Starting a business takes an average of 13 days, compared to the world average of 43 days. Obtaining a business license requires less than the world average of 19 procedures and 234 days
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