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[slipknot]

Nice rant Crockett.

Not all republicans are religious, however. In fact, I'd argue that millions of republicans are only republicans because they don't want to vote Democrat.

Not because they need to shoot their guns off into the air and praise god while they do it, but because they want to keep as many of their hard earned dollars as they can.

It's a choice of lesser evils for many of us, with no party providing a perfect fit for our beliefs.

[storch]

Nice rant Crockett.

Not all republicans are religious, however. In fact, I'd argue that millions of republicans are only republicans because they don't want to vote Democrat.

Not because they need to shoot their guns off into the air and praise god while they do it, but because they want to keep as many of their hard earned dollars as they can.

It's a choice of lesser evils for many of us, with no party providing a perfect fit for our beliefs.

spot on (as I fire off a magazine saying jesus be praised)

[crockett]

Nice rant Crockett.

Not all republicans are religious, however. In fact, I'd argue that millions of republicans are only republicans because they don't want to vote Democrat.

Not because they need to shoot their guns off into the air and praise god while they do it, but because they want to keep as many of their hard earned dollars as they can.

It's a choice of lesser evils for many of us, with no party providing a perfect fit for our beliefs.

Yea but that's the point I'm making with "so called" Republicans, because the current crop so called Republicans are nothing close to what Republicans were. Every since Regan the Republicans have spent more of your tax money than the Democrats have. The only "real" difference is where the money was spent. Democrats tend to spend it on social programs while Republicans spend it by giving contracts to big business or waging wars.

One can easily argue that Bush has spent far more of your tax dollars that Clinton the evil liberal. The only real difference is, with Clinton the money spent was paid for with tax dollars on a balanced budget by the end of his term. Under Bush it's paid for by Chinese and Saudi loans. So while you might get a "little" tax break now.. Meanwhile you, your kids and your grandchildren will be paying it for a long time to come.

So why on Earth would you vote for that when even in your heart you have to know the tax cuts are fake. No one gives you a credit card that you pay no interest on and that you are never expected to pay back. At this point with the amount bowwowed by this Bush admin we are like that low income family just paying the interest on all their credit cards. This is what Bush and co have done to this county.

All the current credit and oil problems are because two Republican senators pushed a bill through and put it on a rider of a 11 thousand page bill that Clinton signed. Which deregulated the commodities and loan markets. So yes it was Bill Clinton whom signed it, but it was Republicans whom snuck it into as bill they knew he would sign (yet another reason to not allow riders). Now 9 years later we are in this mess because of "less" govt control the thing Republicans always claim they want.

Meanwhile your tax dollars are used to bail out the banks and you now pay for higher fuel prices because of unregulated trading in the commodities market. So in the long run did those "so called" Republicans with their less taxes and less govt regulations really save you any money?

Oh and before someone starts whining about liberals wont let us Drill for oil.. Maybe you guys should look up who stopped the drilling for new oil in the United States.. I'll help you.. his name was George Bush Sr.

[AKIron]

You know it hit me the other day and I think we can solve all these problems once and for all.

Send all the "so called" Republicans that hate the way we do it here, to Afghanistan. I was thinking Afghan is the right wingers Utopia. Everyone has guns, everyone believes in god or they hang you. They pay no taxes and the govt does pretty much nothing for them. They can go play with their guns anytime they want it's gotta be the prefect place for a "so called" Republican. The added bonus is they hang gay people and thieves I mean how much better can you get?

I think I'm going to make a few travel brochures and start sending them out to all the card carrying "so called" Republicans..   

You know crockett speaking out against slavery isn't necessarily hate. Wanting to free someone from their irresponsibilty and thus liberate them from dependence on politicians isn't even all that selfish though it will benefit everyone around, well, except the politicians that would have everyone believe wealth must be redistributed by them.

[crockett]

You know crockett speaking out against slavery isn't necessarily hate. Wanting to free someone from their irresponsibilty and thus liberate them from dependence on politicians isn't even all that selfish though it will benefit everyone around, well, except the politicians that would have everyone believe wealth must be redistributed by them.

What politition do you think is going to do that? You guys always talk about liberal living in a dream world.. lol but you righties need to wake up because your living in a dream if you think the current crop of Republicans is doing anything any diffrent. The only diffrence between the two parties is who gets the money and who pays for it.

[slipknot]

Crockett,

I won't argue with you that the repubs of today are making a mockery of the party. The tax issues, in my view, are pale by comparison to the civil intrusions they have authorized, the religious fanaticism they have cultivated, and the idiotic limitations on personal freedoms they have justified.

However, given the traditional attitude of the party, it is one's hope that at some point the old ways will prevail over this new age conservatism. My position is pretty simplistic. I do not want to be punished for earning more, for being a business owner, for perhaps one day being in a position to inherit an estate. Many would feel ashamed that their political beliefs are reduced to these fiscal components but that's the way it is, and that's what I base my choice on.

On a lesser note I think that political correctness is a damaging force to this country, that the blind socialization of healthcare is dangerous, and that affirmative action needs to be re-examined.

The result is that given the choice, I'd rather take my chance on a man that just might do as the old repubs did, rather than on a man that will definitely steer away from my interests and the interests of my family.

Again, for me, and for millions of others, there is no real candidate running. When this is the case, I must choose the one that has a greater chance of doing what suits me.

[AKIron]

What politition do you think is going to do that? You guys always talk about liberal living in a dream world.. lol but you righties need to wake up because your living in a dream if you think the current crop of Republicans is doing anything any diffrent. The only diffrence between the two parties is who gets the money and who pays for it.

Just about all of 'em but especially the democrats who pander to the poor and minorities promising wealth redistribution in exchange for votes. If you think this isn't exactly how it is you aren't looking or you just can't see.

[bongaroo]

Do you have something against Habitat for Humanity?

pretty good thanks.  with the extra money coming in from the slow economy I'm going to buy some new steel toe boots to kick a few liberals at the next habitat for humanity meeting.  oh forgive me.  I should have congratulated you on the clever troll in my first response.  welcome back I have missed your posts.

[crockett]

Crockett,

I won't argue with you that the repubs of today are making a mockery of the party. The tax issues, in my view, are pale by comparison to the civil intrusions they have authorized, the religious fanaticism they have cultivated, and the idiotic limitations on personal freedoms they have justified.

However, given the traditional attitude of the party, it is one's hope that at some point the old ways will prevail over this new age conservatism. My position is pretty simplistic. I do not want to be punished for earning more, for being a business owner, for perhaps one day being in a position to inherit an estate. Many would feel ashamed that their political beliefs are reduced to these fiscal components but that's the way it is, and that's what I base my choice on.

On a lesser note I think that political correctness is a damaging force to this country, that the blind socialization of healthcare is dangerous, and that affirmative action needs to be re-examined.

The result is that given the choice, I'd rather take my chance on a man that just might do as the old repubs did, rather than on a man that will definitely steer away from my interests and the interests of my family.

Again, for me, and for millions of others, there is no real candidate running. When this is the case, I must choose the one that has a greater chance of doing what suits me.

The problem is they aren't changing they are getting worse. Each of the last three Republican presidents has been worse than the last and went further off track. McCain will continue down that same path because he's damn sure not planing on changing anything.

In a fairlyland, would I rather have less govt regulation and pay less taxes? Why of course.. However looking at things like the current housing and loans issues and the oil markets I can see that govt has to regulate these things. We would likely not be in this mess if they hadn't been deregulated. The simple problem is there are a lot of people out there that don't give a crap about anything but making money anyway they can. So the govt has to regulate that stuff to stop them from taking advantage in a "so called" free market.

If republican were what they used to be then maybe I'd vote Republican. They aren't and it's a simple choice at that point because both parties are essentially the same.

Democrats spend more money on social programs and give less to big business.. (ie helping the average Joe)

Republicans spend more money on big business and give less to social programs.. (ie helping the 10%ers)

Well I'm not afraid to admit I'm not a 10%er I'm just a average Joe..so it's easy to see who is better to vote for. It's very simple and clear to me. I know my money will be spent reguardless of who is in office no matter if it's a Democrat or a Republian so the only choice is who gets my money. That's the sad truth.

Sorry call me a liberal, but I'd rather see some single mom or someone's gandmother get my tax dollars vs some Wall St  CEO...

[storch]

Do you have something against Habitat for Humanity?

and I ain't even fishing!!!! (looks around for the long needle nosed) man this hook is deep.

[slipknot]

Crockett, you can call yourself a liberal if you want. I understand your views and needs and don't have a problem with it at all. I won't try to convince you that my view is correct--either for your needs specifically, or in general. My view is correct for my needs, and that is enough.

Personally, I'd rather not be called a Conservative because I simply don't agree with many of their aforementioned social platforms, but if it's easier for you to call me one, I won't stop you either.

My biggest issue with this whole thing is how committed people become to their own brand of propaganda. I rail against Dems myself, but I try to keep the shortcomings of both approaches in mind. The majority of the time, it seems, people just square off as if on a battlefield, ready to say and do the oddest things just to make their own position seem justified, and the opposite position indefensible.

[bongaroo]

and I ain't even fishing!!!! (looks around for the long needle nosed) man this hook is deep.

No reason to go Trollzilla on me.  Was just curious how you could have a problem with them.

[Hap]

My biggest issue with this whole thing is how committed people become to their own brand of propaganda. I rail against Dems myself, but I try to keep the shortcomings of both approaches in mind. The majority of the time, it seems, people just square off as if on a battlefield, ready to say and do the oddest things just to make their own position seem justified, and the opposite position indefensible.

Goes beyond politics too.

Internet Discussion Syndrome:  yes!  no!  yes!  no!

[Maverick]

I think it's absolutely hilarious when the example of Viet Nam is used to blame republicans. Don't the folks who do that have a single clue who sent troops to Viet Nam? JFK was first but the war was started and run, poorly for the majority of the time we were there, by LBJ. Those two were not republicans BTW.

[lazs2]

see how much osamabama is bringing us all together?   Feel the love!

lazs