Don't Talk to Police

[ZetaNine]

Yup...If you are on the stand and call your firearm a "weapon" under cross examination a good DA will nail you to the cross- "So you consider your gun a weapon? It's not a tool? A firearm? It's a weapon?"

Presenting a card to an officer as described in this thread could be used to show your willingness- nay, eagerness- to use your "weapon" against someone.

For me that card is like having a "beware of dog" sign on your front yard- If he bites someone they'll use that sign to try to prove your dog is vicious and out of control.

I think it's a bad idea to sho you even had a contengency plan just in case you had to shoot somebody- if they don't nail you in criminal court they'll rape you in civil court.

I agree with your thinking here...but I will tell you that a "beware of dog" sign disclaims complete liability on the part of the dog owner in most cases and claims.  there are now entire law practices dedicated just to dog bites.

[wrongwayric]

Presenting a card to an officer as described in this thread could be used to show your willingness- nay, eagerness- to use your "weapon" against someone.

Joining the military and learning to use a weapon could be used to show your willingness-nay, eagerness-to use your "weapon" against someone. Yea i see your logic and flunk you again.

Carrying a gun could be used to show your willingness-nay, eagerness- to "defend" yourself against someone.

Carrying a card stating your rights may be used to show your willingness-nay, eagerness- to "protect your rights".

Need i say more?

Plain and simple gun/police debates will never work in here as we all have different opinions. About all i can say is know your rights and exercise them. If it comes down to a court room then that's what it comes down to. I'm not the judge, but if i was on the jury that card wouldn't even be a factor in my decision.

[Carrel]

I'm not the judge, but if i was on the jury that card wouldn't even be a factor in my decision.

Well, personally I would NEVER want to put my fate in the hands of 12 people who were too dumb to get out of jury duty. They are easily led, which is why attorneys use their peremptory challenges to weed out the bright ones so they can have a jury of people who are easily fooled and easily swayed.

A card like that shows a jury that a defendant in a wrongful death case had at least a thought of the possibility of taking someone's life.


BTW- ZetaNine, it'll be intresting to hear your take on the issue of intellectual property vs. file sharing and the RIAA. It'll be discussed again here, I'm sure, as soon as the subject makes a headline again.

[ZetaNine]

BTW- ZetaNine, it'll be intresting to hear your take on the issue of intellectual property vs. file sharing and the RIAA. It'll be discussed again here, I'm sure, as soon as the subject makes a headline again.

my personal opinions -vs- my professional opinions on the topic differ greatly..but it is a favorite topic of mine....looking forward to it.

[Terror]

A card like that shows a jury that a defendant in a wrongful death case had at least a thought of the possibility of taking someone's life.

Umm, I'm carrying a firearm concealed on my person.  I have *already* thought of the possibility I may have to take someone's life defending my own.  If I hadn't, I wouldn't be carrying a firearm on my person.  Using a pre-printed card as a way to exercise your rights shows no more premeditation that practicing with the firearm you are carrying.

Terror

[Carrel]

  Using a pre-printed card as a way to exercise your rights shows no more premeditation that practicing with the firearm you are carrying.

Terror

My point exactly-

DA- "So, Mr. Terror, when you practiced with your handgun/weapon, did you shoot at human silouette targets?"

What I'm saying is that a DA will make that card an issue and will use it to show a predisposition towards shooting someone- all he has to do is plant a question in the mind of a jury rather or not you were somewhat overzealous in the defense of your life.

[wrongwayric]

A card like that shows a jury that a defendant in a wrongful death case had at least a thought of the possibility of taking someones life.

If as a legal gun owner wether you carry or just have it in your house and you haven't "thought about the possibility of taking someones life" then i would be more concerned about that than about a card with a statement of your rights on it.

When i joined the Marines at 18 that was the hardest question i had to ask myself before i signed the papers and raised my hand, could i pull the trigger if i had to. There are reasons they teach you codes of conduct and how to react in situations, there is also a reason they give you a printed manual to carry and have lawyers in the field with soldiers now. To make sure you know your "rights" and the rules of engagement.

Having said the above there is also a reason you go to classes before you get the "right to carry" or to become a police officer. To teach you when it's appropriate to use deadly force. How many times a day do we see news stories about a police shooting where the officer "thought" his life was being threatened?

I think the point here is being missed and i stated it before. Wether you hand the officer that card or not, first shut up, volunteer no information unless asked and then only give the facts, make no judgements or go into any type of guessing what might or might not have been a motive, request a lawyer as soon as possible. The only way to protect yourself now days after any incident is to shut up, know your rights, and get a shark....errr lawyer.

[Mustaine]

This was posted in another forum concerning the Statement card:

At least that is that Prosecutors take on the card....

Terror

PS. The other forum is http://www.uscca.us/forum/index.php

It was posted on a BBS in teh interwebs!!!! I must be teh true thing someone would say!!!!1111ONEONEONE


This has got to be the most appropriate time ever for this emoticon

[Terror]

It was posted on a BBS in teh interwebs!!!! I must be teh true thing someone would say!!!!1111ONEONEONE


This has got to be the most appropriate time ever for this emoticon

Didn't say to trust it as the end all opinion.  Just that someone had ran the card by a prosecutor in a CCW class.  Take the card to your own lawyer and get your own legal opinion.  I just think its a good idea to have something in hand to help remind you, and potentially a police officer, of your rights when your mind will be in a mode that can make you say things you will regret later.

Terror

[AWMac]

Back to the topic of the thread then..."Don't say anything."

 

[ZetaNine]

Back to the topic of the thread then..."Don't say anything."

 

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[Maverick]

If you need a card to remind you of your right to remain silent, when the LEO's will be telling you the same thing, you probably aren't smart enough to own a gun much less be carrying one in public.

[Grayeagle]

I try and imagine a situation ..

Awhile ago some thugs were breakin into houses when people were home and basically doin whatever they liked.
Well.

So situation.. 3-4 thugs try to force their way in when you answer the door, broad daylight, loved ones inside behind you.
Being prepared ..you have a stun gun or firearm near, and use it.

I don't think I would be in any position to calmly hand over a card.
It would take awhile for the adrenaline to subside enough to allow me to do much of anything with my hands.
I would be direct and to the point with the officers and you bet do exactly as they ask.

Courtesy goes a long way.

Just my 2 copper.
-Frank aka GE

[Coshy]

So ....

If I'm carrying my gun in my back pack, along with my ipod, homework and buttcrack knife, and a couple pineapple people try to shake my hand, and I shoot them, I should give this neato card to the cop?


 

[Jackal1]

If you need a card to remind you of your right to remain silent, when the LEO's will be telling you the same thing, you probably aren't smart enough to own a gun much less be carrying one in public.

 

Exactly.