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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2008, 09:15:47 AM »
Not-gunna-doit Sob.

The SC just released an opinion on this. Kennedy v LA is a death penalty for rape case.

The Justice Kennedy opinion in Kennedy v. LA is categorical -- the death penalty is forbidden for crimes against individuals that do not result in death.

Best we can hope for is no parole evah!
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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2008, 09:26:06 AM »
Kinda hard to believe that two cousins are both having the same exact mental illness dream sequence too.

If you listen to what they admit to doing and do a bit of reading about how they were arrested and the evidence against them (they were driving the car of one of the murdered men and had his driver's licencse in their possession) it's pretty hard to believe they are both imagining this. I think they'll have the murder weapon and a ballistic match soon if they don't have it already.


I don't know the specifics of this case, didn't read them. I'm just commenting on "Death Penalty for confessed killers?".
It doesn't make any sense to me, since some people confess to things they never did, and are just nutcases. If there's a confession AND rock solid evidence, sure, fry 'em. Unfortunately, that doesn't always happen.

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Re: Death Penalty for THESE confessed killers?
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2008, 09:31:15 AM »
Noted. I should have put "THESE" between the "for" and the "confessed" in the thread title.
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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2008, 09:35:04 AM »

an innocent little kid was hit by a car and killed.  let's stop making cars.
rare occurrences happen......... such is life.......and death

Yeah lets compare an automobile accident with willfully executing a person.  :rock

Do you think before you write this stuff, or does it just kind of spew out?

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Re: Death Penalty for THESE confessed killers?
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2008, 09:42:04 AM »
Noted. I should have put "THESE" between the "for" and the "confessed" in the thread title.

Ahh in that case, if they have the forensic matches, I don't really see a problem with it. Even in a confession, human witnesses are the last thing you should use. They're the absolute least reliable thing you can bring to a courtroom.

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Re: Death Penalty for THESE confessed killers?
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2008, 09:45:42 AM »
Ahh in that case, if they have the forensic matches, I don't really see a problem with it. Even in a confession, human witnesses are the last thing you should use. They're the absolute least reliable thing you can bring to a courtroom.

Watch the video Indy.

The first guy is an arrogant cold blooded killer.
His partner tries to come off as a nice guy that just wanted to rob the vicitms, while at the same time admitting he told his cousin that in order to pull off the robery they would have to shoot the victims to "scare them" but not kill them. WTF?
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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2008, 09:53:59 AM »
Not sure if you are overreacting or not Toad.  I suppose it all depends on where you believe the real problem lies.

My best guess and opinion is that the higher the sense of entitlement a person has, the more likely he/she will be a threat to society.  This person claims to have a bad life, but that is really a matter of perspective.  A rich kid who loses his $10,000 a week allowance could call his life hell as well.  A person who has perpetually blamed everyone for his/her mistakes would say the same thing.

People devoid of accepting responsibility for their own lives and expecting everyone to cater to them has become a disease in this country.  Again, my opinion, but I am convinced it will get worse as the collective society that is "us" does not seem to want to take any actions to correct it.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2008, 09:58:22 AM »
Yeah lets compare an automobile accident with willfully executing a person.  :rock



it wasn't an accident.......the driver was drunk.

i can't help it if you fail to see the bigger picture here....or shall I move onto your likely theory that we should ban all prescription drugs because while the drug companies and the rest of us "WILLFULLY" comprehend the fact that in a very small percentage of instances...some may die from said drugs.......the minimal risk is still worth it.

spare us the berkely mentality. 
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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2008, 10:25:27 AM »
If the death penalty worked. Then there would be no more murders. It's not a deterent just revenge. People kill like they always have. There is nothing new in that.

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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2008, 10:29:57 AM »
I don't view it as revenge at all.

I view it as the keystone of the non-recidivism program. To date, not one convicted killer that has been executed has ever killed again after the sentence was carried out.

To me if it deters someone else that is an unexpected and welcome bonus. Deterrence has nothing to do with the no recidivism program though.
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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2008, 10:30:46 AM »
Perhaps one person's revenge is another person's justice.
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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2008, 10:32:14 AM »
  The death penalty is not a unique deterant,that is it no more stops someone  committing a murder than a life sentence.if you want to stop crime you have to improve detection,this is what makes someone pause for thought -Am I going to get caught.

  In Britain serial killers like Fred West and Harold Shipman have hanged themselves, not long after starting their life sentences,had we had the death penalty you could argue that the state was doing them a favour

 The mentally ill sometimes admit to murders they did not comit,as in the case of the A6 murders in the 1960's, were a schizophrenic man confessed to a crime we now know due to DNA evidence was indeed carried out by the man found guilty at the time.

 The strongest argument against capitol punishment is miscarriage's of Justice.in Britain recently we have had the Birmingham six and the Guildford four all of whom would have been murdered by the state had capitol punishment been an option;an more recently a mentally disabled man serving life imprisonment for the murder of a teenage girl 30 year's ago,was  released after DNA evidence came to light,proving his innocence.The man has since died.
 
 No matter how many checks an balances you put in place,the death penalty means the death of innocent people,and I have to put myself in the place of the Mother or Father of those innocent!
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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2008, 10:41:32 AM »
so my question is who is gonna prosecute this Government for all its murders?

oh wait there fighting "terrorists"



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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2008, 10:45:32 AM »
If the death penalty worked. Then there would be no more murders. It's not a deterrent just revenge. People kill like they always have. There is nothing new in that.

I agree with Toad.  The death penalty is not going to change the violent crime rate.  All it is for is to eradicate a problem from society.  It does not hurt that it helps to reduce the tax burden for all of us as well, if it was properly implemented.

Anyone thinking that violent criminals can be converted to upstanding citizens is dreaming.  In the overall scheme of things, it is always possible for someone to be "wired" wrong from birth.  A mistake, an abberation.  It happens.  No one can guarantee every person born will be wired right.  Society has a responsibility to remove the damaged individual so they cannot harm others.

Unfortunately, we are not advanced enough to be able to detect these types of problems until it is too late.  At that point, all we can do is to remove them to prevent them from harming others again.
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Re: Death Penalty for confessed killers?
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2008, 11:17:17 AM »
I agree with Toad.  The death penalty is not going to change the violent crime rate.  All it is for is to eradicate a problem from society.  It does not hurt that it helps to reduce the tax burden for all of us as well, if it was properly implemented.

Anyone thinking that violent criminals can be converted to upstanding citizens is dreaming.  In the overall scheme of things, it is always possible for someone to be "wired" wrong from birth.  A mistake, an abberation.  It happens.  No one can guarantee every person born will be wired right.  Society has a responsibility to remove the damaged individual so they cannot harm others.

Unfortunately, we are not advanced enough to be able to detect these types of problems until it is too late.  At that point, all we can do is to remove them to prevent them from harming others again.

so what you are saying is if we could tell a kid had a possibility that he may be a violent criminal, that we should take them out as young as possible?

there are more people in prison for drug use then any thing else, kinda absurd when this is supposed to be a free country.

we as a country need to stop worrying about the rest of the world,being the world police,and take care of our own.
stop spending the amount of money we do on how to kill people, and actually put it towards what will benefit ALL people.

put murderers, child rapists, rapists, to death.you cant "rehabilitate" these types.

make it mandatory every one owns a gun,(criminals will stop there criminal ways)

and make it so if you are in the government you get paid ONLY while in it, and not some absurd amount, and not let them stay in it for years and years.

get rid of the whole idea of "National security", (this gives the government above the law power) especially with the "patriot act"

and only go to war when war comes to us.