Death Penalty for confessed killers?

[Gunthr]

I have absolutely no sympathy for him. Since he confessed, it would seem a short trial and a swift execution is in order.

That said, how is it this country has bred legions of his clones? What the hell happened to us?

His cry that his life has been hell rings false to me. Innumerable people that came here as immigrants or were born here found themselves in worse circumstances than his but they didn't turn to murder. They worked and coped as best they could.

None the less it is clear we have created a society and a culture that does not value human life. I think we are seeing the very beginning of some major problems here. Give it another 30-40 years and it will make the Wild West of the dime novels seem tame.

Or am I over-reacting?

I don't think it is an exaggeration. There are inproportionate numbers of young black people in the USA that are ruined.  This is not a rascist statement, it is a universally accepted observation.  The root cause is the only controversy.

It is male and female homo sapiens that are producing the monsters without concsience or any sense of morality.  I believe the results could be duplicated in the lab.  Take any infant and withhold parental love and nurturing, withhold training in socialization or discipline, instruct amorality and irresponsibility by example, throw in some physical and mental abuse, and you have produced an individual that is not like you or I.  Every now and then a loving family will produce an aberration, but it is rare.

[mechanic]

i dont agree completly Gunthr. I agree that a solid family base will help a child progress in the 'right' direction but very often life throws circumstance at the individual in such a way that no ammount of loving parenting can prevent the mental shift from stable to dangerous.

[Bones]

Case in point.

When I was a kid, my Uncle was a lot of fun.  Quite the comic and light-hearted guy.  Always enjoyed being around him and he loved us kids.

He suffered serious head truma in a car accident one year.  He was never the same after that.  Dark, moody, brooding all the time.  He spent the next couple of years in and out of hospitals and physciatric wards trying to get better.  He knew something was wrong with him.  His memories were still in tact.  He could not understand what was wrong.  We all suffered watching him go through all of this.

One night, he murdered his Wife.  Then killed himself.  He left a note that simply read, "I cannot take it anymore.  I am sorry."

Here was a wonderful, caring person, who had a physical alteration of his brain occur.  Nothing anyone could do about it.  The straw for him was being told the only thing that could be done would be to put him in a menal ward strapped to a bed and kept on medication the rest of his life.  He snapped.

The only thing that prevented him from going on a rampage to begin with was his previous life experience.  He knew it was wrong to be violent.  He could not help himself and neither could the doctors.  In the end, he did the only thing that would ever bring him peace, but he took an innocent life with him.

People born with these issues will never be able to deal with it as they have no basis in reality for them to be able to fight the urge to be violent.

I knew a kid in high school who was prone to violent behavior.  Teachers were afraid of him.  Anytime anyone said anything to him, he would go berserk.  He should not have been in a  public school, but his family was rich.  One day he broke into this home of one of the teachers.  He raped her while making her kids watch, then he set her on fire, then killed the kids.  He laughed about it later talking about how cool it was to her the screams.

None of that should have happened and it could have all been prevented.

[mechanic]

very distressing bones.

i broke my neck aged 16 and it left me with some serious nerve damage in the base of my skull. It actualy hurts so much at times that i would consider death as a beautifull release, but always manage to convince myself to grin and bear it. The imense pain drives me through the wall, i can imagine that should i not have been gifted with a good dose of inteligence that i might turn to bringing suffering on other people just to ease my own pain.

Some people have much bigger problems than I, and many have much weaker minds to deal with it. Again, just really to back up my point that sometimes you cannot blame any outside influence for a persons misgivings other than taking a look at what the person's life is like for them, walking in another's shoes is one of the hardest things to accomplish that i know of.

[Bones]

What is distressing is the scenarios I lived through are played out somewhere in the world, everyday.  It took me a long time to come to grips with what my Uncle did.  Only after I started studying the human brain did I learn we know so very little about it and are still theorizing how it all works.

Forget about repairing it.  There is no way to fix a brain, today and not in the foreseeable future.

For some reason our society feels less pity for the victims of violent crimes than the ones who commit them.  We are all too willing to let violent criminals back on the street even though we know there is a good chance they will repeat their violent behavior.

[lazs2]

gunther.. that is extremely well put.

"I don't think it is an exaggeration. There are inproportionate numbers of young black people in the USA that are ruined.  This is not a rascist statement, it is a universally accepted observation.  The root cause is the only controversy.

It is male and female homo sapiens that are producing the monsters without concsience or any sense of morality.  I believe the results could be duplicated in the lab.  Take any infant and withhold parental love and nurturing, withhold training in socialization or discipline, instruct amorality and irresponsibility by example, throw in some physical and mental abuse, and you have produced an individual that is not like you or I.  Every now and then a loving family will produce an aberration, but it is rare."

I don't have any reason why this is happening to one race either... I also kind of doubt you could reproduce these horrific results in a lab.   Not without generations at least.

There is a large segment of the population that is ruined.. beyond redemption or salvation at this point for at least a couple of generations.  Unfortunately we are making it worse with our "programs".

lazs

[indy007]

I don't have any reason why this is happening to one race either...

It's not. Bad parents put out bad kids. It's pretty universal. The differences I've seen is that the white, upper-class deliquents I've known had better lawyers purchased for them. Probation instead of a stay in Criminal College.

[Gunthr]

I don't have any reason why this is happening to one race either... I also kind of doubt you could reproduce these horrific results in a lab.   Not without generations at least.- Lazs

We have now arrived in dangerous territory...  but I will carefully proceed....

I've got to believe that all men are created equal.  But, I'm thinking that what this actually means is that we are all equal in God's eyes - but not necessarily equal in genetic heritage, or equal in the survival or adaptive value of the different cultures we are born into, and not equal in the ability of our family members' ability to navigate mainstream society or their ability to teach us to do so, or the ability of our families to love, nurture, teach, discipline and socialize us.

If a young boy sees and hears his mom lying to a social worker and scamming welfare, sees his mom doing drugs, prostituting herself for it, maybe sees her stealing steaks at the supermarket, never sees his dad, comes home with a stolen bike and nobody asks him where he got it, or maybe even congratulates him for it, if he sees men beating his mom, or gets beaten himself, or beats others without consequences, if nobody around him has a valid drivers license, or any education, all adults around are alchoholics or drug addicts, 60% of his adult role models have been incarcerated... nobody cares if he goes to school or not, and certainly takes little interest in his learning, its pretty clear how that kid will most likely turn out.  Some do rise above it, but many do not.

I don't know what to do about it except to hold up the values of conservatism.  Black men like Bill Cosby, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Clarence Thomas and others get it.  Actually, I DO know what needs to be done.  Whites can't do it for them. Government can't do it.  The only solution is within the black community, which happens to be the most frequent victim of this pathology.

[redman555]

Appeal? They confessed! This should be short and sweet.

well.... i say throw u in a pit wit a bunch of gay guys for 3 years lol, o  and btw, if u read the name it  says CONFESSED KILLERS not pimps

-BigBOBCH