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Offline Serenity

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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2008, 06:08:17 PM »
Quote from: Krusty on July 02, 2008, 05:43:52 PM
I'd like a re-coding of the way bomber engines work. They weren't meant to run redlined like fighters did during combat. Even during the heat of combat, the heavy bombers still cruised in formations.


However, seeing as that won't happen anytime soon, in regards to this perk idea, I think the B-24s by a large margin outperform the B-17s at alt and at speed. The engines are much more effective. The lancasters are fast but only have 3 turrets, and since they are less heavily defended, based on their ability to absorb damage, and personal opinion, I'd say B24s the most, B17s next, and then lancs. Leave all twin-engines unperked.

Perhaps 7 perks B-24, 6 perks B-17, 5 perks Lancs?

With that in mind, I forsee a lot of B-26s in the future, but these are easier to intercept given full-frakkin'-throttle habits in the mains.

Im sorry, but I cannot possibly consider Lancasters being perked lower than a B-17. Even though it may have more turrets, that bomb load DOES have an effect.
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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2008, 07:01:39 PM »
Quote from: Serenity on July 02, 2008, 06:08:17 PM
Im sorry, but I cannot possibly consider Lancasters being perked lower than a B-17. Even though it may have more turrets, that bomb load DOES have an effect.

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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2008, 12:58:03 AM »
For what it's worth here's my K/D rate against each of the three heavies over the past 6 months as a guage.  These have come mostly in, in order, the Spit XVI, FW190A-8 and BF109K-4 from every concievable attack angle (of these the Spit is the most dangerous to attack with, the A-8 the least):

B-17 - 1.78
B-24 - 3.90
Lanc - 3.62
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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2008, 01:24:47 AM »
Quote from: BaldEagl on July 03, 2008, 12:58:03 AM
For what it's worth here's my K/D rate against each of the three heavies over the past 6 months as a guage.  These have come mostly in, in order, the Spit XVI, FW190A-8 and BF109K-4 from every concievable attack angle (of these the Spit is the most dangerous to attack with, the A-8 the least):

B-17 - 1.78
B-24 - 3.90
Lanc - 3.62


May I be the first to say, that is pretty darn telling.
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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2008, 02:06:17 AM »
Quote from: BaldEagl on July 03, 2008, 12:58:03 AM
(of these the Spit is the most dangerous to attack with, the A-8 the least):

Youre... youre joking right? When I see a 190A8 coming at my B-17s, I find myself thinking "This is gonna hurt..." When I see a spit, all I think is "Dinner!"
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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2008, 08:38:45 AM »
Quote from: Serenity on July 03, 2008, 02:06:17 AM
Youre... youre joking right? When I see a 190A8 coming at my B-17s, I find myself thinking "This is gonna hurt..." When I see a spit, all I think is "Dinner!"

I meant dangerous to me, the fighter pilot.  That's why I said most dangerous to attack WITH.
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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2008, 11:42:27 AM »
Quote from: Serenity on July 02, 2008, 06:08:17 PM
Im sorry, but I cannot possibly consider Lancasters being perked lower than a B-17. Even though it may have more turrets, that bomb load DOES have an effect.

Well then consider perking them all the same.  Each has it's strengths and weaknesses.  Also if there would be a perk allow more flexibility with the spread and how bombs are dropped.  IE. allow you to tighten up your formation for entry and exit of the bombing target for more protection.  Then when you get close to the target spread them out for maximum damage.  Also make it so you can drop only out of the planes you want to so not to waste any bombs.  This could make bombing a challenge again because you would take a lot of thinking to get it right without wasting ords. Or how about taking 4 planes in a diamond formation for hangers...ok to much thinking going on already :salute
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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2008, 06:45:05 PM »
Quote from: stroker71 on July 03, 2008, 11:42:27 AM
Well then consider perking them all the same.  Each has it's strengths and weaknesses.  Also if there would be a perk allow more flexibility with the spread and how bombs are dropped.  IE. allow you to tighten up your formation for entry and exit of the bombing target for more protection.  Then when you get close to the target spread them out for maximum damage.  Also make it so you can drop only out of the planes you want to so not to waste any bombs.  This could make bombing a challenge again because you would take a lot of thinking to get it right without wasting ords. Or how about taking 4 planes in a diamond formation for hangers...ok to much thinking going on already :salute

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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2008, 06:53:22 PM »
my bomber of choice for most short to medium range missions is the JU88 :D

i can hit almost anything with those teeny weeny 250kg eggs. :O
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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2008, 07:06:12 PM »
Quote from: CAP1 on July 03, 2008, 06:53:22 PM
my bomber of choice for most short to medium range missions is the JU88 :D

i can hit almost anything with those teeny weeny 250kg eggs. :O

Yeah, but the climb rate drives me crazy.
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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2008, 10:54:43 PM »
Quote from: Serenity on July 03, 2008, 07:06:12 PM
Yeah, but the climb rate drives me crazy.

really? i have less trouble getting to alt in my 88's than i do in lancs. i do believe the lancs are faster flat and level at 15-18k though......

only thing i don't like bout the 88's is the tiny guns....and lack of defensive coverage by said guns. this also has it's advantages. you have any clue how many pilots fly right up my tail feathers thinking the 2x 30cal(or7.2mm i'm not sure which) in the ventral won't hurt em? :devil

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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2008, 11:06:08 PM »
Quote from: CAP1 on July 03, 2008, 10:54:43 PM
really? i have less trouble getting to alt in my 88's than i do in lancs. i do believe the lancs are faster flat and level at 15-18k though......

only thing i don't like bout the 88's is the tiny guns....and lack of defensive coverage by said guns. this also has it's advantages. you have any clue how many pilots fly right up my tail feathers thinking the 2x 30cal(or7.2mm i'm not sure which) in the ventral won't hurt em? :devil

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Theyre 7.9 IIRC.

Well, I RARELY fly Lancasters, but my B-17G feels like it climbs a LOT faster than the Ju-88...
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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2008, 12:06:14 AM »
Actually...the B17 can take out as many hangers as the B24 can take out (using the theory of 2 1000lb bombs per plane per hanger. You can take a set of 17s up with 500lb bombs, salvo 3, and squeeze 4 hangers out of the run. You can get 4 hangers out of the run in 24s as well.
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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2008, 12:17:27 AM »
Quote from: CAP1 on July 03, 2008, 10:54:43 PM
i have less trouble getting to alt in my 88's than i do in lancs. i do believe the lancs are faster flat and level at 15-18k though......

Well ya Lanc's climb like a dumptruck in compasison to the other bombers, what you need to do is take off from a base far away and go AFK for 20-30 min  :D
then your at a good alt
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Re: bomber perks
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2008, 04:01:08 AM »
Quote from: SpikesX on July 04, 2008, 12:06:14 AM
Actually...the B17 can take out as many hangers as the B24 can take out (using the theory of 2 1000lb bombs per plane per hanger. You can take a set of 17s up with 500lb bombs, salvo 3, and squeeze 4 hangers out of the run. You can get 4 hangers out of the run in 24s as well.

Yes, but you dont NEED to use 2 x 1,000lb bombs if youre good. Ive done it multiple times with 1, so the B-24 can take out more hangars than the 17.
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