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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2008, 09:30:28 PM »
Cain was Adams son,as was Able...

 Why was Cains sacrifice not honored???

 Because he was full of pride..read it and you shall see,it was the SIN in his heart that God was not pleased with,and it was the sin of PRIDE and ENVY...This is one example of how God "sees" our hearts..Their was not ANY fornication of ANY kind between angels,either fallen or not,and any humans in the bible..I can prove this with words which Jesus spoke in the NT if you insist...


 Why did Lucifer fall from heaven??? was it because he was "BAD"???..umm...no it was not..


 It was because he was FULL OF PRIDE and thought he could be as good as God,and lets not forget the envy which caused the PRIDE..He was envious of Man because up until that point he was the most beautiful angel God had made,but then he became envious,and PRIDE crept in...

   As far as if Jesus is God or not,I get it from COLOSSIANS 1:14-19

 And John 1:1-14
Study John 1-14 and one cannot miss that in fact Jesus was God manifest on the earth..

 There is quite a bit inbetween,but the first verse is:

1. In the beginning was the WORD,and the WORD was with God,and the WORD WAS God..

   now we go to verse 14.. And the WORD was made FLESH,and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his Glory,the Glory AS OF the only begotten of the Father,) full of Grace and Truth..

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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2008, 09:45:55 PM »
So Cain is punished for being proud of doing a good job, and envious that Able doesn't even really try and still skates by?

This is a sin?  Are you people even diddlying paying attention?


Every single time in the bible the capable are torn down BECAUSE THEY ARE CAPABLE, while the pious make every single headway to being one of God's chosen ones.  Given that the bible was written by man, don't you begin to wonder why this happens every single time?
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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2008, 09:47:54 PM »
It's a built in safety feature so that people don't delve to deep into trying to explain the mysteries of the world instead of just saying, 'it was god!', which of course would lead to atheism.

IMO of course.

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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2008, 09:55:29 PM »
Laser,no offense,but if you would spend as much time reading the bible and asking for God to help you understand HIS Ways,instead of trying to tear it down,you may get a better idea of God,and his ways...Did you not see the ENVY??? unless you think Envy is good for something..


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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2008, 10:01:33 PM »
You realize what you just said is that, if you read the bible and blindly follow it instead of looking at it critically and trying to understand the underlying message, that you will have better faith?

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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2008, 10:09:54 PM »
ML,I said no such thing..I understand the critical thinking that goes into it...But for people to come in and tear down something which they do not understand nor have a working knowledge of is putting the cart before the horse.
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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #51 on: June 30, 2008, 10:22:14 PM »
Working knowledge of a fairy tale is only working knowledge of a fairly tale.. Doesnt really get anyone anywhere IMO..


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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2008, 12:11:22 AM »
I view Christianity as a very old structure of values compiled by people who had lost all bearing on their existence. The manifestation of a set of guide lines and an external parent figure takes the responsibility off the hands of humans and places it on the head of an 'intrinsically good, all-knowing and omnipotent being'. My beliefs aside, let's look into this God business a little.

Existence is truly an overwhelming thing. If you take a moment to look deeper into any of the things around you one cannot help being utterly lost in the complexity of it all. God is an all too convenient simplification of it all. I do not think that the belief that existence was created by a deity is helpful to a successful existence.

Existence as we understand it is a finite occurrence, it will pass. Whether or not our existence as we understand it on Earth is a mere stage of something much larger we can do nothing other than execute this existence, or stage of existence, in the way we see most fit.

Christianity will have you believe that the way of God is the most fit way to exist.

However, I feel that one should take their own existence into their own hands. The only thing you can do in your 'life' is exist. No matter what you're doing or not doing, you're existing. Given the magnitude of this it makes sense to me to define how you exist by yourself. You're opening yourself to grave errors if you just accept the pre-packaged existence that Christianity and religion in general provides. Even if God exists the bible is nothing but a story book written by bored and lost humans.

In order to lead the best possible existence one must evaluate their actions through their own eyes, not through the words of a book.

Humans are fallible (a fundamental Christian belief) so why accept the work of many humans (many fallible humans involved creates the possibility of many mistakes) as fact!? It is a monumental error to accept the work of others before you without checking it yourself. You wouldn't do it at school (if you wanted the best grade), you wouldn't do it at work (if you wanted the best from your job) and you shouldn't do it if you want the best from your existence.

To each their own, of course, I am not trying to tell the Christians of Aces High that they're wrong. My suggestion is that you look into everything the bible tells you and critique it with your own sense of moral judgement because the bible does not contain the word of God, it contains man's interpretation of the word of God. Use the bible as a hand-drawn road map rather than a dictionary and you will be on the way to a fuller existence.

I've studied the philosophy of religion at university and through the many hours I spent looking through it all I learnt is that it's all hot air and words on a page. There is no way to say that there is some omnipresent being controlling or 'guiding' everything and there is also no way to say that their isn't, so I'm not trying to suggest that there is or is not a God. All we can do is use our our time to do our best.
 
Besides, assuming that God does exist for a moment, he gave you a brain and it would be an insult to him not to use it, right?  :aok

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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2008, 02:49:55 AM »
Been dead once already, it's not all it's cracked up to be.
Honestly, IMO it matters not what religious mythology you believe in, we will all end up going through the same experience.
Bottom line is, YOU are your own judge. YOU will decide where you go after here. The biggest truths untold by conventional religions, is "hell" is right here right now and we are all collectively in ourselves "God" and "Satan". Religions are merely the guides we use to conduct our daily lives.
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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2008, 07:25:54 AM »
Laser,no offense,but if you would spend as much time reading the bible and asking for God to help you understand HIS Ways,instead of trying to tear it down,you may get a better idea of God,and his ways...Did you not see the ENVY??? unless you think Envy is good for something..


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First off, Envy IS good.  If it weren't for envy, if it weren't for people wanting more, we would still be in the caves bashing our mates over the heads with clubs.  Every single item you see around you, every medical, mechanical and motor advancement in the world is the result of envy and greed.

But you aren't asking me to understand GOD's way.  You are asking me to understand the Christian Church's way.  There's a difference.   


Here's the thing.  I understand God's way.  I can see it in the world all around me.  The catch is that I believe the christian way is the way of satan.  Every single thing the Christian Church demands of the world is more evil than the largest mass murderer.
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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2008, 07:56:30 AM »
sd.. I think that you are probly closer to correct than most but...   I do believe that there is a creator who cares about us and will give us the strength we need if we ask.  Needed and got strength I didn't have before.. that is "proof" enough.

I think that the reason that so few people are athiests is because it makes no sense for one thing and because gods presence can be felt all around us.. to be an athiest is a sickness of the soul in my opinion.. it is anger and denial.

I think most outgrow athiesm because they lose the bitterness or.. as we age we simply see that science not only will not let us live forever or that.. it is not that desirable in any case.   

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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2008, 10:59:22 AM »
First off, Envy IS good.  If it weren't for envy, if it weren't for people wanting more, we would still be in the caves bashing our mates over the heads with clubs.  Every single item you see around you, every medical, mechanical and motor advancement in the world is the result of envy and greed.

But you aren't asking me to understand GOD's way.  You are asking me to understand the Christian Church's way.  There's a difference.   


Here's the thing.  I understand God's way.  I can see it in the world all around me.  The catch is that I believe the christian way is the way of satan.  Every single thing the Christian Church demands of the world is more evil than the largest mass murderer.

IMHO you haven't made an effort to understand some things..........

It SEEMS to show in your statement.

How did you get the Cain and Abel thing?  Where did the idea that one was working hard and the other wasn't come from?

This reference to hard work being rewarded with evil?  Where did that come from?

Have you actually read the stuff your talking about?  If so where did you read the stuff your saying, cause I can't find it!   Not in the Bible.................
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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2008, 11:16:51 AM »
What's to be afraid of? Everything dies.

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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2008, 11:18:13 AM »
sd.. I think that you are probly closer to correct than most but...   I do believe that there is a creator who cares about us and will give us the strength we need if we ask.  Needed and got strength I didn't have before.. that is "proof" enough.

I think that the reason that so few people are athiests is because it makes no sense for one thing and because gods presence can be felt all around us.. to be an athiest is a sickness of the soul in my opinion.. it is anger and denial.

I think most outgrow athiesm because they lose the bitterness or.. as we age we simply see that science not only will not let us live forever or that.. it is not that desirable in any case.   

lazs

A sickness of the soul? Really? Why must one be angry to find no reason to believe in a higher power?

Denial of a belief based in the inability to comprehend that which is around us? Seems very reasonable to me.

How does one's soul suffer from the lack of belief in an omnipotent being?

Finding strength within yourself and not searching for it externally is not the mark of a 'sick' soul. It is the mark of one who does not accept the 'truths' held by those before them blindly. If a concept is not one that you would have otherwise thought of and said concept has no proof, just a lack of a better explanation, why should one be considered lacking or defective for not adopting it?
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Re: Questions with death
« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2008, 11:29:51 AM »
faith      Pronunciation[feyth]
–noun
1.   confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2.   belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.   belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4.   belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5.   a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
6.   the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
7.   the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
8.   Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.
—Idiom
9.   in faith, in truth; indeed: In faith, he is a fine lad.
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Either you have it or you don't.  Science cannot quantify it.  Trying to do so goes against the whole concept of the word, itself.

Claiming that folks are silly because they believe in something that they cannot explain is utter nonsense.

There are plenty of people that have faith in something.  It doesn't necessarily have to be some form of Judeo-Christian Godlike being. 

For instance, I have faith that CT will be out in two weeks.
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