Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General

[Rich46yo]

OK, what about this is untrue or insulting? Sounds to me like Clark made valid points (and I'm leaning towards voting McCain). If getting shot down is an important qualification, then why do you republicans drool all over Dubya? How long did Reagan spend in a POW camp?

You guys have drunk the Dubya Kool-Aid so long you can't be objective anymore. All you can do is point and spit.

Well, at least Dubya went up in the air. At least Reagan stormed Hollywood stages waving the flag.

What did Obama do? Besides recite verses in Indonesia until he was 18yo.

Then the guy establishes himself as a Politician in one of the countries sleaziest states. BUT I guess as the worlds first 1/2black, 1/2white, Hawaiian Indonesian to ever run for US President he's pretty historic. 

[rpm]

See Rules #4, #5

[SteveBailey]

See Rules #4, #5

He implied it and you know it, we all know it.  Interestingly enough, his same words could be applied to Obama,

[FrodeMk3]

Well, at least Dubya went up in the air. At least Reagan stormed Hollywood stages waving the flag.

So now, we hold the "Rear Echelon Mother boinker" (REMF) as more honorable than the combat vet...

If that's the case, then we deserve whatever we get for a president.

[rpm]

See Rules #4, #5

[midnight Target]

for those like John McCain who have endured physical torment in service to our country –- no further proof of such sacrifice is necessary. Let me also add that no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters of both sides. We must always profess our profound gratitude for the service of our men and women in uniform, period."

Obama today... very well said.

[Toad]

Obama spokesman Bill Burton: "As he's said many times before, Sen. Obama honors and respects Sen. McCain's service, and of course he rejects yesterday's statement by general Clark."

Looks like Obama is distancing himself from Clark's remarks. I guess that means Wesley said nothing out of line, right?

I mean that's the case all of his defenders here are making. Funny the candidate thought Wes was out of line though.

Except of course that Wes is Barack's war poodle, yapping on command.

[AKIron]

Having his nose stuck up Clinton's butt didn't make Clark qualified to run either but it sure didn't stop him.

[Tarmac]

Tarmac, could you please educate me on what outfit McCain was CO of?

I agree he has the experience of combat, but he did not hold a command other than being senior POW. Clark actually has more command experience than McCain and I'd listen to what he has to say. I'd actually prefer to see Clark as the nominee.

My point was that executive experience does not require an official command, and that executive experience is not granted by having a title on a gold plaque on an office door. 

I've known commanders whose executive experience couldn't get them out of a wet paper bag.  There are plenty of commanders whose units run on the strength of their second in command or on the dedication of their underlings. 

[SteveBailey]

He answered a question asked him. The same absolutely could be said of Obama.

BTW, nobody here is fit to walk a step in Clark's shoes. Nobody, unless of course you have been valedictorian at West Point, 4 Star General and NATO commander. Then you can spray kool-aid. Otherwise you really should listen to what he has to say. Squeakfire has kool-aid all over him and that's my point.

If his Clark's quote isn't out of line, why is Obama distancing himself from it big time?

[crockett]

Well, at least Dubya went up in the air. At least Reagan stormed Hollywood stages waving the flag.

What did Obama do? Besides recite verses in Indonesia until he was 18yo.

Then the guy establishes himself as a Politician in one of the countries sleaziest states. BUT I guess as the worlds first 1/2black, 1/2white, Hawaiian Indonesian to ever run for US President he's pretty historic. 

I must have missed the part where a potential president was required to serve in or pretend to serve in the military..

[Stoney]

He answered a question asked him. The same absolutely could be said of Obama.

BTW, nobody here is fit to walk a step in Clark's shoes. Nobody, unless of course you have been valedictorian at West Point, 4 Star General and NATO commander. Then you can spray kool-aid. Otherwise you really should listen to what he has to say. Squeakfire has kool-aid all over him and that's my point.

You forgot Rhode's scholar.  I've served under him in a combat zone and was completely un-impressed by his decision making.  Just because he's got a great pedigree doesn't make him a great military commander.  One of my old CO's was on his staff in Europe, and he detested the guy--this was the opinion of a Vietnam (Combat) Vet Marine Colonel, after my experience as a participant in his catastrophic management of Kosovo, and fully confirmed what I observed on the working end of his decisions.  He sure looks good on paper--the classic warrior-scholar.  In reality, he's all pedigree and little else.  I can explain how he cost the U.S. taxpayer in excess of $75 million unneccessarily, merely because of parochialism.  It'd take a while, and is beyond the scope of this thread, but I can do it.  While I'll grant that the policy under which he acted was completely screwed up, his operational decisions extended the length of time that it took for the Serbs to sign the MTA, and cost Kosovar Albanians their lives, both directly and indirectly.  I can go on and on, but when you're staring down a FUBAR situation that could get you killed, and that he was ultimately responsible for, any trust in his pedigree is worthless.  He was a political general that was assigned under the providence of Bill Clinton, not his tactical accumen.  I loathe hearing him speak--I detest him that badly.  

[crockett]

Looks like Obama is distancing himself from Clark's remarks. I guess that means Wesley said nothing out of line, right?

I mean that's the case all of his defenders here are making. Funny the candidate thought Wes was out of line though.

Except of course that Wes is Barack's war poodle, yapping on command.

Most likely it's to appease the premadonna's like we have here in the O Club. They whine about anything he does, so it's one of those damn if you do damn if you don't.. If he doesn't say anything, then the righties will whine and cry about it. If he does say something, then it's see we told yea so from the righties.

Funny how this kind of stuff only matters when it's a guy from the left, yet all the crap that spews of of morons mouths like Rush Limprod and some of the other koolaid drinking right wingers always gets ignored by the very people in here that are complaining about this.

[Delirium]

BTW, nobody here is fit to walk a step in Clark's shoes. Nobody, unless of course you have been valedictorian at West Point, 4 Star General and NATO commander.

So, because Clark has military experience he can make the judgement call on who is qualified or not qualified to be the President and we shouldn't question his motives?

So by that comparison, are you telling me FDR should of never been President? FDR was never in the military and only held civilian based jobs in relation to the Navy. That means Landon should of won in 1936 and Willkie in 1940 (and there are countless successful presidents who had no military training). Clark should of kept his mouth shut, I would be just as disappointed with his comments if they were made towards Obama and I'm sure they will continue by the Right Wing nuts.

Clark is just another politician now, I respect his sacrifice for this country but that does not give him a 'free-pass' to smear anyone less battle hardened than himself.

He answered a question asked him. The same absolutely could be said of Obama.

It has been... many of the Right Wing nuts have taken Obama's stance on Iraq (whether you agree with it or not) and have assumed he is incompetent. The difference between the Clark and these Right Wing nuts is just motivation and ideology, not the tools.

[Yeager]

Did Clark ever fire a bullet in anger?  Was he ever shot at while commanding troops in the field? let alone hit by SAM's and tortured the good old fashioned way for five years in a facility where dozens of top notch American servicemen were killed by means of torture?  I agree, Clark's service to the country was second to none, and a man of his caliber is clearly cut from damned good material, but his assessment of McCain's "lack" of qualifications to lead a nation based on genuine personal sacrifice when compared to Obama's abundant qualifications by mere "good character and ideas" seems way out of whack to me.

In any event I have no other real choice than to vote for the wisdom and experience that McCain so clearly has over Obama's lack of same.  Obama is a good guy, it is obvious to me, but he doesn't hold a candle to McCain, or Clark.  Kerry? Don't even try it.