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Offline AKIron

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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2008, 12:33:16 PM »
So, if according to Gen Clark, flying a plane and getting shot down does not qualify one to be president (and i agree with him), then neither does leading a squad and getting shot. Military service does not qualify one to be POTUS but it doesn't hurt either.

Obama's voting record, personal associations, and stupid public remarks do disqualify him though imo.
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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2008, 12:49:41 PM »
The late David Hackworth didn't much like Clark either, nor did he care much for Ollie North at the other end of the spectrum.

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Well, Ollie is a more complicated...His entanglements once working on the NSC staff are certainly questionable.  I know his god-son, and he has some context on that.  What I will say is that General Charles Krulak is quote in "The Nightingale's Song" as saying that Ollie was regarded as one of the best Marine Platoon and Company commanders in Vietnam at the time.  What happened later is certainly up for discussion, as mentioned in the same book.

I'd highly recommend it for its look at John McCain as well.
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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2008, 12:59:37 PM »
Shame on the media for dragging this soundbyte through the mud.  If you read the transcript it is obvious Clark is not questioning McCain's service to country.

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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2008, 01:02:29 PM »
Shame on the media for dragging this soundbyte through the mud.  If you read the transcript it is obvious Clark is not questioning McCain's service to country.

And yet Obama felt the need to denounce his comments.
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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #64 on: July 01, 2008, 01:12:59 PM »
Shame on the media for dragging this soundbyte through the mud.  If you read the transcript it is obvious Clark is not questioning McCain's service to country.
Clark said McCains military service did not qualify him to be a President and that Obamas character and ideas did.  Its a personal opinion but one that has a poor formula for success in a public debate.  McCain has a character and ideas too.  Clark would have been better off to say he preferred Obamas character and ideas since McCain has Obama completely trumped in the personal sacrifice column, and Obama knows it very well...thats why Obama had his attack dog go bite McCain so that he could later reject it making himself look all the better for it.

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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #65 on: July 01, 2008, 01:25:33 PM »
And yet Obama felt the need to denounce his comments.

....because most of America simply carps up the soundbytes provided by the media and believes anything spoon fed to them.

FROM THE TRANSCRIPT:

BOB SCHIEFFER: How can you say that John McCain is untested and untried, General?

CLARK:  Because in the matters of national security policy making, it's a matter of understanding risk.  It's a matter of gauging your opponents and it's a matter of being held accountable.

John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war.  He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee.  And he has traveled all over the world.

But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded -- that wasn't a wartime squadron. He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall.  He hasn't seen what it's like when diplomats come in and say, I don't know whether we're going to be able to get this point through or not.  Do you want to take the risk?  What about your reputation?  How do we handle this publicly?  He hasn't made that calls, Bob.

SCHIEFFER:  Well, General, maybe -- could I just interrupt you?

CLARK:  Sure.

SCHIEFFER:  I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences, either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down.  I mean...

CLARK:  Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.

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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2008, 01:39:01 PM »
because most of America simply carps up the soundbytes provided by the media and believes anything spoon fed to them.
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Sounding kinda bitter here.  Im guessing most of us on this board who found Clarks comments insulting to McCain have seen the entire interview and read the entire transcript, not the sculpted segment you chose to spoon feed and carp us up with.

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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #67 on: July 01, 2008, 01:40:04 PM »
 Both of these guys are from one of the worst performing Congresses in history. Neither one of these guys will make any ground shaking changes in your life.

Immigration; both liberal, both will do nothing.

Iraq; McCain will try to continue Bush's policy's. Will be tough with a Democratic Congress. (Rep predicted to lose more seats) Even without a Democratic Congress McCain will have trouble in Iraq. Military needs a break.
Obama; will pull out of Iraq. But not completely. A military presence will be there for foreseeable future. We need oil. Iraq has high grade oil.

Economy; Toss up. Neither one will do much. Oil/Iraq will have more influence on economy.

Social Security; Congress likes the slush fund we call Social Security and they won't make large changes to it.

Global Warming; Do nothing Congress will hamper or lessen any major changes.

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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #68 on: July 01, 2008, 01:47:14 PM »
Neither one of these guys will make any ground shaking changes in your life.
a government at odds with itself is the best kind of governemnt...the bastards cant change anything and screw it up worse than it already is.  Fact is if Obama gets the nod he will have a democratic congress to cooperate with and screw everything the hell up. 

Then, in two years the republicans get both houses. 

Problem is what happens in those first two years.
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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #69 on: July 01, 2008, 01:54:57 PM »
a government at odds with itself is the best kind of government...the bastards cant change anything and screw it up worse than it already is.  Fact is if Obama gets the nod he will have a democratic congress to cooperate with and screw everything the hell up. 

Then, in two years the republicans get both houses. 

Problem is what happens in those first two years.

can you say 1992 without the percolating dot com bubble?

can you say Economic Depression????
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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #70 on: July 01, 2008, 02:09:11 PM »
 I believe our government works best when we have one party in the White House and the other in the Congress. The chances of McCain winning is astronomical. Fact is that the Republicans had total control for 6 years and did nothing. Now the populace is tired and ready for a major change. But while the Democrats will win a few more seats, they probably won't get to that magic 60 votes(in Senate). So a majority Democratic Congress with Obama is probably wishful thinking for some.

 On McCain/Clark; Both are hero's. Both served in war. Both decorated. Its sad that in the political climate we are in that we can't leave it like that. Too much is being made of these comments. Nothing in a junior officers training(McCain was a junior officer) qualifies him for commander in chief. But serving 15 months in a National Guard unit does? And most of that in training? And Kerry, a decorated veteran, is less a commander in chief prospect? I didn't like Kerry but Bush's war record?
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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #71 on: July 01, 2008, 02:14:46 PM »
Fact is that the Republicans had total control for 6 years and did nothing.

Amen, brotha.  For this reason, I feel the Bush Presidency is a huge disappointment.

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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #72 on: July 01, 2008, 02:22:59 PM »
can you say 1992 without the percolating dot com bubble?

can you say Economic Depression????

We're going into that now, Eagler. As a matter of fact, This is looking uglier than '92 could have ever hoped to be.

Whichever one is elected, is going to have a lot of work to do on the economic end. Iraq seems to have faded as an issue in most voters' minds, because of this. It might be a help to the republicans.
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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #73 on: July 01, 2008, 02:46:36 PM »
 Little note here while we are talking about Congressional seats and such: did you know that Larry Craig (R)(correct name?) the Congressman from Idaho(?) that was convicted of soliciting in a Minnesota restroom will probably retain his seat? Yeppers! Almosts a certainty!

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Re: Wesley Clark: Obama Lap Dog & a Disgrace in General
« Reply #74 on: July 01, 2008, 03:12:16 PM »
I am not now, nor have I ever been.......tEh gHey  :rolleyes:
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