Forget the 50 mpg carb; this guy has a 80 mpg Mustang

[Maverick]

All this guy has to do to evade the mythical oil company hit squads is to publicise the results verified by a reputable independent lab complete with a dyno report that can eliminate the variables in the test. Of course even the hydrogen fans won't do that. If the lab tested it and published the results even protecting the patent materials the info would be too widely known to be quashed. I suspect snake oil too. Until independent labs can analyze and verify the results for the modifications to the vehicle it's all snake oil.

[Baitman]

Snake oil.. But it would be nice if it were a little true. I think the guy would be better off to claim smaller gains and rope every one in rather than a few  investors. I have been in some of the offices of junior mining companies and the incompetence runs rampant.

BTW I have the universal picture hanger if anyone is interested send $10 and I will send one. (a nail)

[rpm]

When I was a kid my Dad and I saw a news report about a guy that drove a 1974 Ford Galaxy 500 from Dallas to StLouis and he got 100mpg. My Dad would always bring that up anytime someone talked fuel milage. He was convinced some oil company bought the patent and buried it.

[SD67]

The other day I saw a VS commodore in town that had in HUGE blue lettering on the sides THIS CAR USES WATER FOR FUEL.
I turned back for a look and to leave a note for the owner to drop into the workshop so we could check it out, but by the time I got back there they'd left.

[moot]

http://www.clean-air.org/Hydrogen%20Commodore/hydrogen_powered_commodore.htm?

[Jackal1]

The other day I saw a VS commodore in town that had in HUGE blue lettering on the sides THIS CAR USES WATER FOR FUEL.

We have a nearby station that evidently believes that all cars will run on water.
I couldn`t even get the friggen lawnmower to run on the stuff. 

[SD67]

http://www.clean-air.org/Hydrogen%20Commodore/hydrogen_powered_commodore.htm?

Close but that car runs on bottled hydrogen gas and it's a VB commodore. The one I saw was a V6 VS commodore, a much later model and it claimed it used water as it's fuel. I was very curious to see it, since the only bona-fide water powered car I know of was Steven Horvath's Water powered Datsun from back in the 70's

[soda72]

Every time hydrogen is brought up people are wanting to poor water into their gas tank and have the car produce it.  Why bother with that?  As long as the car can run on hydrogen what's wrong with letting a gas station produce the hydrogen by what ever means necessary and let the cars fill up there instead of having the cars producing it themselves by pooring water in the gas tank.  As long as I can fill up with hydrogen safely at a gas station I don't see it being a big change to the way we would use cars today.

[lasersailor184]

Every time hydrogen is brought up people are wanting to poor water into their gas tank and have the car produce it.  Why bother with that?  As long as the car can run on hydrogen what's wrong with letting a gas station produce the hydrogen by what ever means necessary and let the cars fill up there instead of having the cars producing it themselves by pooring water in the gas tank.  As long as I can fill up with hydrogen safely at a gas station I don't see it being a big change to the way we would use cars today.

The problem with Hydrogen is that it's not a Fuel Source.  It's a battery.  You still need to use fuel and energy to get Hydrogen into a useable state.

This process WILL waste at least 50% of the energy.  So you're not really saving the planet.  You're wasting more energy to accomplish the same amount.

[Toad]

But if you can create the hydrogen with a currently unused energy source like wind/solar or energy from a place where it can't presently be used and transport it as hydrogen,  it can work out over the long term.

Right now though it's not ready for prime time IMO.

[Nashwan]

It takes about 60 kw/h of electricity to produce 1 kg of hydrogen by electrolysis. 1kg of hydrogen is equivalent to 1 gallon of gasoline.

Electricity from the grid costs about 10c per kw/h. Alternatives like solar and wind cost more.

Transporting hydrogen is also expensive. You have to either compress it, which uses 20% as much energy as the hydrogen contains, or better still liquefy it, which uses 40%.

[Toad]

Which is why I said long term benefit and not yet.  Eventually though tech advances may make it work out long term.

[Baitman]

In Vancouver they have city buses that run on hydrogen. Big and bulky tanks on top the bus, great but not good for truckers.

[john9001]

It takes about 60 kw/h of electricity to produce 1 kg of hydrogen by electrolysis. 1kg of hydrogen is equivalent to 1 gallon of gasoline.

Electricity from the grid costs about 10c per kw/h. Alternatives like solar and wind cost more.

Transporting hydrogen is also expensive. You have to either compress it, which uses 20% as much energy as the hydrogen contains, or better still liquefy it, which uses 40%.

you people really need to get up to speed, honda is puting hydrogen cars on the street in Cal. and they are building solor powered hydrogen refueling stations to refuel them.

[moot]

Sounds more like it's for profits than as a real answer to the energy problem.