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Offline 2bighorn

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P-38J vs P-38L weights
« on: July 08, 2008, 11:35:16 AM »
In AH, according to E6B J model weighs 372lbs more than L. Shouldn't be other way around?

I mean, our L has boosted ailerons (hydraulic plumbing, pumps etc), dive flaps (electrical motors, etc), reinforced pylon attachments (also stronger pylons), which rather adds weight.

So how comes? Or did I miss something?

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Offline lagger86

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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2008, 11:56:52 AM »
I think the J has a full bar and multiple blenders....I'm not sure though, I'm not allowed to fly those models.
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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2008, 01:45:19 PM »
Quote from: lagger86 on July 08, 2008, 11:56:52 AM
I'm not allowed to fly those models.

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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2008, 04:24:26 PM »
Im sure they weigh EXACTLY the same with the same loads.

I triple checked and, like many others, I looked up weights, talked with the SAPPers and we couldn't find any DEFINITE proof of the J-15/20 (we have 1 of those models; they are too similar for our J to be only one of them for sure) was lighter than the L-5. Not to say it isn't, but we just couldn't find the evidence.
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Offline 2bighorn

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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 04:41:57 PM »
Quote from: SgtPappy on July 08, 2008, 04:24:26 PM
Im sure they weigh EXACTLY the same with the same loads.

RGR, E6B must be buggy. Checked again few times and sometimes (offline) it shows different weight at same loads.
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Offline Delirium

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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 06:09:11 PM »
They weigh the same in AH, although the J really should be lighter than the L, but that is a huge can of worms as my fellow SAPPers say.

The last time we mentioned anything about weight issues in the 38, they added 400lbs to the G.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2008, 08:46:03 PM by Delirium »
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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 07:32:35 PM »
Quote from: Delirium on July 08, 2008, 06:09:11 PM
They weight the same in AH, although the J really should be lighter than the L, but that is a huge can of worms as my fellow SAPPers say.

The last time we mentioned anything about weight issues in the 38, they added 400lbs to the G.

So? The G is still the best fighter out of them all d:

Imo at least, L I don't care to fight in as much...
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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 08:03:37 PM »
Quote from: trigger2 on July 08, 2008, 07:32:35 PM

Imo at least, L I don't care to fight in as much...

Why?  It's better than the G.


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Offline Jester

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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 04:43:53 PM »
The L will eat the G in a dogfight IMHO.
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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 06:26:14 PM »
Quote from: Jester on July 09, 2008, 04:43:53 PM
The L will eat the G in a dogfight IMHO.

Depends on who is flying which one :)

As a 38G driver my hope against a 38J or L guy is to get em nice and slow and out turn them.  It is the lighter and more nimble 38.  I'm not going to follow a 38J or L into the vertical much as the 38G fights downhill better then up.
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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 07:49:32 PM »
Quote from: Guppy35 on July 09, 2008, 06:26:14 PM
Depends on who is flying which one :)

As a 38G driver my hope against a 38J or L guy is to get em nice and slow and out turn them.  It is the lighter and more nimble 38.  I'm not going to follow a 38J or L into the vertical much as the 38G fights downhill better then up.

Yep, when I encounter a G, I take the fight into the upward vertical and try and not get into a nose low turn fight.  The main advantage in the vertical with the J and L against the G is WEP.  The J and L and kick in WEP to give that extra little bit in the positive vertical for the edge.


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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 07:52:16 PM »
Quote from: Jester on July 09, 2008, 04:43:53 PM
The L will eat the G in a dogfight IMHO.

Try flying the G more and fight like dan and akak said then get back too me no respect for the G
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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 08:36:58 PM »
The G is the better dogfighter imho, aside from wep, it is almost as fast and can turn better with the same gun package.

If I could see out of the damn thing with the glare issues, I would fly it fulltime.
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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2008, 12:41:54 AM »
I'm flying the P-38 for the first time this month.  Always been in the L until today when I took the J out.  Got 10 kills in 4 sorties and landed them all.  I'm not that good... in fact I'm pretty bad at this game.  That was pretty freaky... so I got back in the L for the rest of the night. :lol
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Re: P-38J vs P-38L weights
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2008, 11:08:10 AM »
Quote from: Guppy35 on July 09, 2008, 06:26:14 PM
Depends on who is flying which one :)

As a 38G driver my hope against a 38J or L guy is to get em nice and slow and out turn them.  It is the lighter and more nimble 38.  I'm not going to follow a 38J or L into the vertical much as the 38G fights downhill better then up.

Guess it comes down to fighting styles.

1.  I fly by the "RULE OF 45." If a you cannot get a shot at a bandit through 45 degrees of turn it's time to break off and manuver for another shot.
2.  You deserve to get your bellybutton shot down if you get a 38 in a low, slow, turning dogfight inthe first place.   ;)

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