Constant dweebery

[CAP1]

Good sticks now hoing!   I ran into several guys that think hoing is better than fighting.  These are good sticks, they used to be at least. I was in the da  Doolittle and i was in a fight, went vert he rolled over and shot in the head on position. WHY?  Scared    



I challenge all players that are tired to start saying what they feel about this!

Coward score mongers!


HItech   help with this before this becomes the norm or there will be people leaving by the boatload!

nuthin new.

[hammer]

...was in a fight, went vert he rolled over and shot in the head on position....

My initial impression reading your post was you either got roped or you rolled over too soon while trying to rope. Can't tell for sure from the "went vert". If you got roped and it was a HO, he rolled over a bit too soon. In either scenario, I would consider it a legitimate shot even if it was purely head on. I tend to belong to the school of thought that says a nose-to-nose on the initial merge is a "HO" with all of the negative connotations, everything after that means you allowed the other guy a shot.

Regards,

Hammer

[SlapShot]

With all due respect I feel a direct need to call BS on the "Deflection" stuff. It's NOT a deflection when you're in my windshield or sites. The only time I see much "deflection" is during looping.

I'm with this guy and the thousands of others who are just sick of it.

OTOH, if everyone >>>KNEW<<<  >>everyone<< else would fire in a HO merge, people would get more inventive to avoid the obvious and would NOT have that chance to burn you with dweebery point mongering.

Most of this is done with the pile-it A (dweeb) assuming pile-it B (someone with morals) will honor the merge and NOT fire on the merge,.... so pile-it A fires first, assuming pile-it B's morals will not defend him. Pile-it B loses every time.

I'm going to quit whining about HOs and just fly by the rule that if you appear in my windshield and I will fire 100% of the time. This will help eliminate the HO merge so often in the first place. REMOVE the advantage from the dweeb all together. Make it real, give him\her their own medicine. And let it be known to them before they pull in front of you for that shot they ARE the target, you WILL fire. We aren't shaking hands on the pass.

SO that being said, pull in front of me and I will fire because 80% of the point monger dweebs will NOT honor the morals of not firing on a HO merge. So fire away, because I WILL.  Thats how you eliminate it, flip the tables.

I had to finally resort to this because it's almost every flight someone attempts an HO WAY too often. Why should *I* be the idiot for an idiot? Remove the moral leverage he uses on you and pull the trigger.

So pull in front of my 190 A5 of P-51D and it's GOING to fire, period.  Sorry, <shrug> hate to be a dork but.... better learn to be more creative on selections of merging a fight. Because you HOers are going to watch your brains mist on the rear of your canopy.

Pull the trigger.

That is all <S>
Animl

 

[SlapShot]

Good sticks now hoing!   I ran into several guys that think hoing is better than fighting.  These are good sticks, they used to be at least. I was in the da  Doolittle and i was in a fight, went vert he rolled over and shot in the head on position. WHY?  Scared    



I challenge all players that are tired to start saying what they feel about this!

Coward score mongers!


HItech   help with this before this becomes the norm or there will be people leaving by the boatload!

If I went vertical, hoping for a rope, and I get to the top and roll over, with practically 0 airspeed, and see you coming straight up AT ME ... you will get a face full and I would not consider that a HO ... nor would I consider that a merge either.

HiTech will do nothing to stop those who HO ... it's up to you to spoil your opponents guns solution. In time, hopefully you will understand what Oleg has pointed out on avoiding the HO and using that to setup a lead turn.

[SlapShot]

True enough, but I will fire on the target the instant the HO merge is chosen by pile-it A.

The instant you allow your opponent to dictate the fight ... you, for all intents and purposes, have just lost the fight.

[BaldEagl]

It's really quite easy to avoid the HO.  If you get HO'd it's, for the most part, your own fault.  There are those few times where you're too low on E and you can't avoid it.

Beyond that, anything goes after the opening merge IMO but from your post it sounded like a deflection shot.

In my experience, most HO shots are taken by n00bs who start spraying from 1.5K out.  If you're reaction is to HO back, then welcome back to n00bville.  Enjoy.

[Shane]

Good sticks now hoing!   I ran into several guys that think hoing is better than fighting.  These are good sticks, they used to be at least. I was in the da  Doolittle and i was in a fight, went vert he rolled over and shot in the head on position. WHY?  Scared    

I challenge all players that are tired to start saying what they feel about this!

Coward score mongers!

HItech   help with this before this becomes the norm or there will be people leaving by the boatload!

Uhhhh.. sounds like you got roped... which isn't a HO in the sense of being a HO.

<edit> oh, some others picked up on this already.

[BGBMAW]

whaaaa...

what a girl

learn to fly

[infowars]

Hey if anyone want to hear the new guys opinion here goes.  Personally if someone is heading straight for me I've just assumed he's going to shot so I evade.  I rarely have a HO opportunity and if it isn't a waste of ammo I take it also.  If I'm not mistaken the germans HO-ed every chance they got.  Isn't that why the spiral is on the 109s nose?  So you can't tell whether he's vert or not.  Anyways HOs suck by all means but I think they are realistic and that is why I fly this game...

[uptown]

Yesterday I engage a dora and no matter how hard I tryed to avoid the HO shots this guy just insisted on it. 4 or 5 passes his guns are blazing. So while I'm avoiding these shots, 2 more cons jump into the fight. And they're all hoing me. So I HOed them all and landed my 3 kills All three guys were brand new to the game. They have no clue about ACM. And I'd bet they don't even care. They just want a kill no matter how they get it. Welcome to squeaker season.

[BnZ]

HO is the LEAST cowardly attack. HOing gives any dweeb, on any given day, a good shot at bringing you down.

That is why I don't cotton to the HO. I can't abide giving the enemy a chance.

For further study, watch the gunfight between Roy Bean and Bad Bob(The Albino Bad Bob, not Dirty Bad Bob, the New Mexican) from "The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean". That is the preferable angle from which to shoot your enemy.

[Ack-Ack]

HOing gives any dweeb, on any given day, a good shot at bringing you down.

And also a really good shot at killing themselves in the process.  Honestly, how smart is it to engage in a tactic where you have less than a 50% of coming out unscathed?  While it is a valid tactic, it's not the smartest tactic and in the majority of the cases those that only use head on tactics don't survive for very long against someone that prefers to use better tactics.  YMMV.


ack-ack

[mtnman]

HO is the LEAST cowardly attack. HOing gives any dweeb, on any given day, a good shot at bringing you down.

That is why I don't cotton to the HO. I can't abide giving the enemy a chance.

For further study, watch the gunfight between Roy Bean and Bad Bob(The Albino Bad Bob, not Dirty Bad Bob, the New Mexican) from "The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean". That is the preferable angle from which to shoot your enemy.

It's funny BnZ, but I've got the same opinion of the "cowardly" HO.  IMO, it's one of only a select few ways to fight and show anything remotely like "bravery" in the game.  Having had several relatives in the services, I can't rightfully attribute bravery to a game, but since the terms seem to float freely...

HOing is like jousting. 50/50 chance of failure, you're opponent has an equal chance to win or lose.  Could you imagine a knight of old skillfully maneuvering his pony around behind his opponent to poke him in the back?  LOL, he'd be laughed out of the country!!

If "bravery" in the game were to have any correlation to RL, it would basically mean facing a challenge- even when the odds aren't in your favor.  So, that leaves what?  Most "aces" fighting 1v1 wouldn't be showing bravery, since they are likely to win, or more specifically, they EXPECT to win.  Fighting when you expect to win, and using tactics that allow you to do so with little threat to yourself isn't exactly brave.  As a matter of fact, it could be seen as cowardly.  Isn't believing you may not win a prerequisite to acting bravely?

Like a gunfighter shooting an opponent in the back- Smart? Sure...  Brave?  Nope...

It's not a new concept either.  Various methods of fighting have been considered brave, and others "cowardly" historically.  In the brave column we'd see the Native American concept of "counting coup", European soldiers standing shoulder to shoulder in lines to be mowed down by muskets, and knights jousting or engaging in close combat.  The American militia fighting guerrilla-style weren't seen as brave (at least by their opponents- they were hiding behind trees and rocks, for Pete's sake!), and neither was their tactic of sniping off the British officers with rifles.  From what I've seen, working your way around your opponents weapons to "poke him in the back" has never been considered "brave".

So, "bravery" in game- HOing, or attacking bombers from their six, or purposely allowing yourself to be ganged if you're skilled enough to handle most 1v1's...  I can't come up with much else...

[mtnman]

And also a really good shot at killing themselves in the process.  Honestly, how smart is it to engage in a tactic where you have less than a 50% of coming out unscathed?  While it is a valid tactic, it's not the smartest tactic and in the majority of the cases those that only use head on tactics don't survive for very long against someone that prefers to use better tactics.  YMMV.


ack-ack

Which is precisely why BnZ claimed it was "brave".  Not smart, or a great tactic, but "brave".

(Again, squeemish about the use of the word "brave"...)

[ink]

i know its been said but ill say it again for the slow ones,

a true HO is when BOTH have gun solutions, if your opponent firs into your canopy but you can not put rounds into him due to fact that you DONT have a gun solution its NOT a HO.

it is easy to avoid the HO, if you face an opponent that only HOs than you can totally set him up, they should be an east kill.

maybe i should say that again,  na i wont i hate saying things twice.

and for those who think HOing is as lame as Vulching, well at least the one you are HOing has a chance, Vulching is the lamest thing in AH, but what are we gonna do cry to HTC and ask, beg, plead,whine,bribe, for him to stop it. please get a grip.

this game is awesome learn to overcome, learn to your advantages, what you like and dont change the way you play for any one, and i am saying that about all the "dweebery" its a game have fun, i think getting over on what at first was hard, is half the reward, in other words if you keep dying to a HOer dont get mad, dont give up learn to over come them and then every time you come across a pure HOer, you will kill them every time! and then maybe that person will think to himself "maybe im doing something wrong? how can i "overcome" this way of fighting seeings how my HOing just does not work."

nuff said