Constant dweebery

[Dragon]

A few days ago I was in a LA LA circling around, enter a set of Boston's.  This pilot, and I use that term loosely, sees me approaching his 6 and turns 180, losing his drones(thanks for the free bees) and tries to HO me.  I dodged, turned around to chase and see him doing 180 again.  So we figure 8 4-5 times until I finally decide to open up and make him go BOOM. I didn't recognize the name, must have been a newb.  Kinda feel sorry for them.

[BnZ]

I was kidding around fellows. Don't read too much into it. I can't believe I'm the ONLY one on the BBS who has seen that movie though...

HOing is like jousting. 50/50 chance of failure, you're opponent has an equal chance to win or lose.  Could you imagine a knight of old skillfully maneuvering his pony around behind his opponent to poke him in the back?*  LOL, he'd be laughed out of the country!!

I agree with you about "bravery", MM.

*Off-Topic Rambling: As far as ka-nigitly activities though, they used alot of technique which you wouldn't expect. Liechtenauer writes of in the 14th century of how to carry your lance point a little low and to left to deflect his lance to the right as you pass (on the right), thereupon to give him a stab or sweep him off the horse with the haft on the pass. Also, he points out, don't ride in upon the foe at at full speed gallop, you can't maneuver well(!) that way. He also recomends every "dirty" strike and tactic for hand-to-hand that the Marquis of Queensbury banned, as well as some the Marquis didn't even think of.   

[moot]

What's that from BnZ?

[ROX]

I always expect the HO in every encounter, and I'm right 99.9% of the time.

Last week, a lone D-Hog attempted the HO on every encounter for 9 straight minutes.

Happens every day.




ROX

[haasehole]

   I guess I'm fairly new to the game. only played bout a year .while watching dogfights p-38 vs zekes. 38 pilots were taught to use avantage of speed (dive) then turn and head on them. while learning to fight against zekes/hurries  (in game) only defense (dont turn with em) extend and then head on to them and shoot. I've been working on not firing on the 1st merge . works bout 80/20 (I'm trying to be a sporting pilot) and seem to b catching the ho less and less. so I really think its about being/having some sportmanship ( it is a game after all) but for the new pilots that just wanna play/fly they will (probably) learn some ACM. I think thoo if ur   bout the ho (it takes 2)
you only have your self to blame

[olskool2]

Here's the truth about the HO shot.

It very rarely happens, for the simple reason that in order for it to be a real honest to god HO, you must also have a gun solution on your opponent. 99% of the HO shots that people complain about when they die are in reality "deflection" shots.

Bottom line is, if you die from a true HO shot, you helped engineer that shot.

Now, that being said, there are many trainers who can help you recognise and deflect that scenario in the TA. Barring that (if you are in the TA and no trainers are available), I would be more than happy to help you out with recognising where/what your opponent is doing.

Heck, you coud even see me flying in the MA and give me a shout. I am always available to unscrew stuff.

Have a few years behind me with this, so the offer is there.

cheers,
RTR

While true, this doesn't always apply in practice. Many, many times you will not have the E to sufficiently dodge the head on attack ( leaving you either to get shot trying to dodge or taking the 50/50 HO), so "It's not a HO, it's deflection" defense does not hold water in my opinion, especially in a DA fight.

[kj714]

i know its been said but ill say it again for the slow ones,

a true HO is when BOTH have gun solutions, if your opponent firs into your canopy but you can not put rounds into him due to fact that you DONT have a gun solution its NOT a HO.

it is easy to avoid the HO, if you face an opponent that only HOs than you can totally set him up, they should be an east kill.

maybe i should say that again,  na i wont i hate saying things twice.

and for those who think HOing is as lame as Vulching, well at least the one you are HOing has a chance, Vulching is the lamest thing in AH, but what are we gonna do cry to HTC and ask, beg, plead,whine,bribe, for him to stop it. please get a grip.

this game is awesome learn to overcome, learn to your advantages, what you like and dont change the way you play for any one, and i am saying that about all the "dweebery" its a game have fun, i think getting over on what at first was hard, is half the reward, in other words if you keep dying to a HOer dont get mad, dont give up learn to over come them and then every time you come across a pure HOer, you will kill them every time! and then maybe that person will think to himself "maybe im doing something wrong? how can i "overcome" this way of fighting seeings how my HOing just does not work."

nuff said



 

I'm with Ink on this.

I always laugh a bit at the "I'm always getting HO'd" whiners because it takes two to tango. The more correct whine would be "I'm tired of always losing the HO's I get myself into."

Face it, you can see them coming way off most of the time. What you really ought to do is get some acm going where you can turn the HO into a 6 shot. When I see them coming I will either go vert at the appropriate moment dropping flaps and chopping throttle or sometimes just pitch it to get the deflection. IF you hang in it until the bitter end it is your own fault, quit complaining, have a cookie.

Lotsa people are making HO passes nowadays, figure out how to convert that into a quick kill, conserve your ammo and go find a real fight.

[Motherland]

 If I'm not mistaken the germans HO-ed every chance they got.  Isn't that why the spiral is on the 109s nose?  

No. The spiral was supposed to confuse enemy ack crews.

The only 'HO' that German pilots were trained to go for to my knowledge was against bombers. That's the safest approach.

[Guppy35]

I expect to get the HO shot, and appreciate when it doesn't happen.

It probably isn't the HO that's the issue so much as the dependence on "One pass haul A##" that is seen so much.  If you turn into that guy, you get a faceful as it's all he has.  I think it also contributes to the extensive use of either the fastest birds or the 4 cannon birds.  I think it interesting that the N1K has apparently passed the LA7 in use as those 4 cannons compensate for a lot.

Nothing is going to change however.  That part of the AH crowd that looks for the fight will continue to have to deal with that part that looks for the shortest distance between taking off and landing to get their 'attaboys'

[Baitman]

Its a cartoon plane If it was real life there would be no HO because of the possibility of getting one self killed. If there was a period of time from a death to a life (say five min) maybe there wouldn't be as may HO shots. Also flying a A6m5 like me always demands people to HO me because the turn fight is out, so I have to work to avoid it.

[Rollins]

Cracked me up the other night when someone was on 200 crying about our country being alt monkeys and HOtards.
Not 5 minutes later I was winging with a squaddie, we arrived on the edge of a furball and he dove in after a con.  I stayed up to keep eyes on when a con appears with about 2K on me, and I was at ~14K.  He dives in as we merge and he pulls for the HO, long stream of tracer fire.  I rolled out of phase slightly to avoid it. 
Keeping an eye on my squadmate and the con, pulled a little hard to avoid a pass and stalled her slightly.  Dove away as I recovered and got pinged, engine.  I go dead stick and bail shortly thereafter.  Died to the same 200 HO and Alt-monkey whiner. Who HOed, at alt. Classic.
But I still had a fun night, and I'm not one to name names... <S>

[HighGTrn]

Here's the truth about the HO shot.

It very rarely happens, for the simple reason that in order for it to be a real honest to god HO, you must also have a gun solution on your opponent. 99% of the HO shots that people complain about when they die are in reality "deflection" shots.

Bottom line is, if you die from a true HO shot, you helped engineer that shot.

Now, that being said, there are many trainers who can help you recognise and deflect that scenario in the TA. Barring that (if you are in the TA and no trainers are available), I would be more than happy to help you out with recognising where/what your opponent is doing.

Heck, you coud even see me flying in the MA and give me a shout. I am always available to unscrew stuff.

Have a few years behind me with this, so the offer is there.

cheers,
RTR

Well said RTR

[HighGTrn]

With all due respect I feel a direct need to call BS on the "Deflection" stuff. It's NOT a deflection when you're in my windshield or sites. The only time I see much "deflection" is during looping.

I'm with this guy and the thousands of others who are just sick of it.

OTOH, if everyone >>>KNEW<<<  >>everyone<< else would fire in a HO merge, people would get more inventive to avoid the obvious and would NOT have that chance to burn you with dweebery point mongering.

Most of this is done with the pile-it A (dweeb) assuming pile-it B (someone with morals) will honor the merge and NOT fire on the merge,.... so pile-it A fires first, assuming pile-it B's morals will not defend him. Pile-it B loses every time.

I'm going to quit whining about HOs and just fly by the rule that if you appear in my windshield and I will fire 100% of the time. This will help eliminate the HO merge so often in the first place. REMOVE the advantage from the dweeb all together. Make it real, give him\her their own medicine. And let it be known to them before they pull in front of you for that shot they ARE the target, you WILL fire. We aren't shaking hands on the pass.

SO that being said, pull in front of me and I will fire because 80% of the point monger dweebs will NOT honor the morals of not firing on a HO merge. So fire away, because I WILL.  Thats how you eliminate it, flip the tables.

I had to finally resort to this because it's almost every flight someone attempts an HO WAY too often. Why should *I* be the idiot for an idiot? Remove the moral leverage he uses on you and pull the trigger.

So pull in front of my 190 A5 of P-51D and it's GOING to fire, period.  Sorry, <shrug> hate to be a dork but.... better learn to be more creative on selections of merging a fight. Because you HOers are going to watch your brains mist on the rear of your canopy.

Pull the trigger.

That is all <S>
Animl

Just remember while you are attempting to get a front aspect guns solution on a merge, I'm lead turning you.. 

[BaldEagl]

I occasionally whine on 200 about getting HO'd.  It's always a case where I didn't have an option due to energy state or I was turning and too close before I saw the guy or, more likely, getting hit by a defelction shot as I moved to avoid the HO.  And yes, even though it's a deflection if the guy was intent on HOing and hit me with the deflection as I moved to deny the HO it's still a HO IMO.

[Newman5]

But I still had a fun night, and I'm not one to name names... <S>








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