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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #180 on: July 10, 2008, 04:55:19 PM »
one time an american pilot actually stopped in the middle of a dog fight and urinated onto the canopy of the german plane, which immediately went into a dive and never recovered....

It's actually a true story.  


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Charlie Brown was a B-17 Flying Fortress pilot with the 379th Bomber Group at Kimbolton , En gland . His B-17 was called 'Ye Old Pub' and was in a terrible state, having been hit by flak and fighters. The compass was damaged and they were flying deeper over enemy territory instead of heading home to Kimbolton.

After flying over an enemy airfield, a German pilot named Franz Steigler was ordered to take off and shoot down the B-17. When he got near the B-17, he could not believe his eyes. In his words, he 'had never seen a plane in such a bad state'. The tail and rear section was severely damaged, and the tail gunner wounded. The top gunner was all over the top of the fuselage. The nose was smashed and there were holes everywhere.

Despite having ammunition, Franz flew to the side of the B-17 and looked at Charlie Brown, the pilot. Brown was scared and struggling to control his damaged and blood-stained plane.

Aware that they had no idea where they were going, Franz waved at Charlie to turn 1 80 degrees. Franz escorted and guided the stricken plane to and slightly over the North Sea towards England He then saluted Charlie Brown and turned away, back to Europe.

When Franz landed he told the C/O that the plane had been shot down over the sea, and never told the truth to anybody. Charlie Brown and the remains of his crew told all at their briefing, but were ordered never to talk about it.

More than 40 years later, Charlie Brown wanted to find the Luftwaffe pilot who saved the crew. After years of research, Franz was found. He had never talked about the inci dent, not even at post-war reunions.

They met in th e USA at a 379th. Bomber Group reunion, together with 25 people who are alive now - all because Franz never fired his guns that day.

The reason Franz Steigler kept it a secret is if he had told his CO what he'd done, he would have been executed by firing squad.


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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #181 on: July 10, 2008, 04:55:32 PM »
Geeesh ... if we actually WON something tangible ... and winZ teh W@rZ perks don't count ... I could maybe understand.

I know Slap....funny isn't it?!?!
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #182 on: July 10, 2008, 04:56:18 PM »
NB has been around so long ... he was the one that invented pixel dirt.

No, I didn't. But, I have met him.  :D
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #183 on: July 10, 2008, 04:57:50 PM »
well damm it all im just gonna HO every one from now on, you guys pissin in my cornflakes  :P

Here ya go ink ...

"Early in the morning forty-eight Thunderbolts took off from the advanced base at Manston. Having previously been criticized for going off on his own, this morning Johnson resolved to stay in formation. The three squadrons of the 56th Fighter Group were all up: the 61st (Johnson's), 62nd, and 63rd. Before the mission, Johnson felt the cold fear that he always felt, and which he was able to channel into higher alertness. They flew up, over the Channel, into France, and soon spotted sixteen Fw-190s. Before Johnson could communicate or coordinate with his flight, he was hit. 20mm cannon shells ripped through his plane, smashing the canopy, punching holes in the plane, and inspiring in Johnson an overwhelming urge to bail out. More explosions smashed the plane, and Johnson's frantic "Mayday!" calls drew no response. Fire began to envelope the cockpit.

The Thunderbolt spun crazily out of his control and the twisted and jammed canopy frame resisted his repeated, superhuman, full-body efforts to open it. As he struggled vainly with the canopy, the engine fire miraculously went out, but he could hardly see, as oil spewed back from the battered engine. He tried to squeeze out through the broken glass of the canopy, but the opening was just too small for both him and his chute. Trapped inside the P-47, he next decided to try to crash-land and evade. He turned the plane south, toward Spain - the recommended evasion route. After struggling with hypoxia and hallucinations(?), his thoughts came back into focus and he realized that the aircraft was still flying fairly well. He headed back for England, counting on his high altitude to help him make a long, partially-powered glide back home.

The instrument panel was shattered. The wind constantly blew more oil and hydraulic fluid into his cut up face and eyes. He had neglected to wear his goggles that morning, and any attempt to rub his eyes burned worse than ever. He and his plane were horribly shot up, but incredibly he was still alive. He made for the Channel, desperate to escape the heavily defended enemy territory.

Swiveling constantly, he froze in horror as he spotted a plane approaching him, an Fw-190, beautifully painted in blue with a yellow cowling. Johnson was totally helpless, and just had to wait for the German to get him in his sights and open up. The German closed in, taking his time with the crippled American fighter. Johnson hunched down behind his armor-plated seat, to await the inevitable. The German opened up, spraying the plane with 30-caliber machine gun fire, not missing, just pouring lead into the battered Thunderbolt. Johnson kicked his rudder left and right, slowing his plane to a crawl, and fired back as the German sped out in front of him.

The Focke-Wulf easily avoided the gunfire from the half-blinded Johnson, and circled back, this time pulling level with him. The pilot examined the shattered Thunderbolt all over, looking it up and down, and shook his head in mystification. He banked, pulled up behind Johnson again, and opened up with another burst. Somehow the rugged Republic-built aircraft stayed in the air. The German pulled alongside again, as they approached the southern coast of the Channel. Still flying, Johnson realized how fortunate it was that the German found him after his heavy 20mm cannons were empty.

As they went out over the Channel, the German get behind and opened up again, but the P-47 kept flying. Then he pulled up alongside, rocked his wings in salute, and flew off, before they reached the English coast. Johnson had survived the incredible, point-blank machine gun fire, but still had to land the plane. He contacted Mayday Control by radio, who instructed him to climb if he can. The battered plane climbed, and after more communication, headed for his base at Manston. Landing was touch and go, as he had no idea if the landing gear would work. The wheels dropped down and locked and he landed safely."

"Johnsonn's opponent that day was the Luftwaffe Ace Egon Mayer: his rank was Oberstleutnant (Lt.Col). "

"After the injured Johnson had landed his plane at the Manston emergency strip, he surveyed the damage it had taken, and later described the result in his autobiography, Thunderbolt!:

    There are twenty-one gaping holes and jagged tears in the metal from exploding 20mm cannon shells. I'm still standing in one place when my count of bullet holes reaches past a hundred; there's no use even trying to add them all. The Thunderbolt is literally a sieve, holes through the wings, fuselage and tail. Every square foot, it seems is covered with holes. There are five holes in the propeller. Three 20mm cannon shells burst against the armor plate, a scant inch away from my head. Five cannon shell holes in the right wing; four in the left wing. Two cannnon shells blasted away the lower half of my rudder. One shell exploded in the cockpit, next to my left hand; this is the blast that ripped away the flap handle. More holes appeared along the fuselage and in the tail. Behind the cockpit, the metal is twisted and curled; this had jammed the canopy, trapping me inside.

    The airplane had done her best. Needless to say, she would never fly again."
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #184 on: July 10, 2008, 04:58:29 PM »
I usually do a rolling scissors to get out of pickers. Which IIRC is where you roll and go up, then nose down really hard? (Hard to explain..) :aok

EMERGENCY!!!!

This man needs a clue rake.....NOW!!!  :rofl
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #185 on: July 10, 2008, 05:05:58 PM »
Here ya go ink ...

"Early in the morning forty-eight Thunderbolts took off from the advanced base at Manston. Having previously been criticized for going off on his own, this morning Johnson resolved to stay in formation. The three squadrons of the 56th Fighter Group were all up: the 61st (Johnson's), 62nd, and 63rd. Before the mission, Johnson felt the cold fear that he always felt, and which he was able to channel into higher alertness. They flew up, over the Channel, into France, and soon spotted sixteen Fw-190s. Before Johnson could communicate or coordinate with his flight, he was hit. 20mm cannon shells ripped through his plane, smashing the canopy, punching holes in the plane, and inspiring in Johnson an overwhelming urge to bail out. More explosions smashed the plane, and Johnson's frantic "Mayday!" calls drew no response. Fire began to envelope the cockpit.

The Thunderbolt spun crazily out of his control and the twisted and jammed canopy frame resisted his repeated, superhuman, full-body efforts to open it. As he struggled vainly with the canopy, the engine fire miraculously went out, but he could hardly see, as oil spewed back from the battered engine. He tried to squeeze out through the broken glass of the canopy, but the opening was just too small for both him and his chute. Trapped inside the P-47, he next decided to try to crash-land and evade. He turned the plane south, toward Spain - the recommended evasion route. After struggling with hypoxia and hallucinations(?), his thoughts came back into focus and he realized that the aircraft was still flying fairly well. He headed back for England, counting on his high altitude to help him make a long, partially-powered glide back home.

The instrument panel was shattered. The wind constantly blew more oil and hydraulic fluid into his cut up face and eyes. He had neglected to wear his goggles that morning, and any attempt to rub his eyes burned worse than ever. He and his plane were horribly shot up, but incredibly he was still alive. He made for the Channel, desperate to escape the heavily defended enemy territory.

Swiveling constantly, he froze in horror as he spotted a plane approaching him, an Fw-190, beautifully painted in blue with a yellow cowling. Johnson was totally helpless, and just had to wait for the German to get him in his sights and open up. The German closed in, taking his time with the crippled American fighter. Johnson hunched down behind his armor-plated seat, to await the inevitable. The German opened up, spraying the plane with 30-caliber machine gun fire, not missing, just pouring lead into the battered Thunderbolt. Johnson kicked his rudder left and right, slowing his plane to a crawl, and fired back as the German sped out in front of him.

The Focke-Wulf easily avoided the gunfire from the half-blinded Johnson, and circled back, this time pulling level with him. The pilot examined the shattered Thunderbolt all over, looking it up and down, and shook his head in mystification. He banked, pulled up behind Johnson again, and opened up with another burst. Somehow the rugged Republic-built aircraft stayed in the air. The German pulled alongside again, as they approached the southern coast of the Channel. Still flying, Johnson realized how fortunate it was that the German found him after his heavy 20mm cannons were empty.

As they went out over the Channel, the German get behind and opened up again, but the P-47 kept flying. Then he pulled up alongside, rocked his wings in salute, and flew off, before they reached the English coast. Johnson had survived the incredible, point-blank machine gun fire, but still had to land the plane. He contacted Mayday Control by radio, who instructed him to climb if he can. The battered plane climbed, and after more communication, headed for his base at Manston. Landing was touch and go, as he had no idea if the landing gear would work. The wheels dropped down and locked and he landed safely."

"Johnsonn's opponent that day was the Luftwaffe Ace Egon Mayer: his rank was Oberstleutnant (Lt.Col). "

"After the injured Johnson had landed his plane at the Manston emergency strip, he surveyed the damage it had taken, and later described the result in his autobiography, Thunderbolt!:

    There are twenty-one gaping holes and jagged tears in the metal from exploding 20mm cannon shells. I'm still standing in one place when my count of bullet holes reaches past a hundred; there's no use even trying to add them all. The Thunderbolt is literally a sieve, holes through the wings, fuselage and tail. Every square foot, it seems is covered with holes. There are five holes in the propeller. Three 20mm cannon shells burst against the armor plate, a scant inch away from my head. Five cannon shell holes in the right wing; four in the left wing. Two cannnon shells blasted away the lower half of my rudder. One shell exploded in the cockpit, next to my left hand; this is the blast that ripped away the flap handle. More holes appeared along the fuselage and in the tail. Behind the cockpit, the metal is twisted and curled; this had jammed the canopy, trapping me inside.

    The airplane had done her best. Needless to say, she would never fly again."

Holy crap,

as i was reading this i got goosebumps on my goosebumps, seriously.

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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #186 on: July 10, 2008, 05:11:38 PM »
Holy crap,

as i was reading this i got goosebumps on my goosebumps, seriously.


It surely wasn't his day to die ... he later went on to score 27 kills ... God had other plans for him.

If that German pilot ever knew whom he hadn't killed, he surely lived to regret it. Bob Johnson would go on to score 27 aerial victories in his time with the 56th Ftr. Grp., one of the top scoring groups in the ETO, under its great leader, Col. Hub Zemke. The top two aces of the 8th AF, Johnson and Gabby Gabreski, both flew P-47s with "Zemke's Wolfpack."
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #187 on: July 10, 2008, 05:19:31 PM »
It surely wasn't his day to die ... he later went on to score 27 kills ... God had other plans for him.

If that German pilot ever knew whom he hadn't killed, he surely lived to regret it. Bob Johnson would go on to score 27 aerial victories in his time with the 56th Ftr. Grp., one of the top scoring groups in the ETO, under its great leader, Col. Hub Zemke. The top two aces of the 8th AF, Johnson and Gabby Gabreski, both flew P-47s with "Zemke's Wolfpack."


its funny i was gonna say in my last post "and some people say God does not exist"

i just did not  want to start another God bashing rant.
thax for showing me that BTW
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #188 on: July 10, 2008, 05:29:55 PM »

its funny i was gonna say in my last post "and some people say God does not exist"

i just did not  want to start another God bashing rant.
thax for showing me that BTW
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #189 on: July 10, 2008, 05:34:56 PM »
Slappy...

Heck, I've seen guys that run at the first sign of a co-alt dot!!! What I have a problem with is what Scca thought he would accomplish with this thread...is he really that new?? I really don't understand why anyone that has been around for more than a couple of camps would post what he posted. The kind of player he posted about is not new (though the player himself might be), this "style" of play has been around for ever. So...really, why bother?
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FWIW, I am fairly new, only a year and 8 months into the game. My current game name is 613Scca these days BTW.
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #190 on: July 10, 2008, 05:49:53 PM »
It surely wasn't his day to die ... he later went on to score 27 kills ... God had other plans for him.

If that German pilot ever knew whom he hadn't killed, he surely lived to regret it. Bob Johnson would go on to score 27 aerial victories in his time with the 56th Ftr. Grp., one of the top scoring groups in the ETO, under its great leader, Col. Hub Zemke. The top two aces of the 8th AF, Johnson and Gabby Gabreski, both flew P-47s with "Zemke's Wolfpack."

It's amazing how he survived the 20mm round that hit his armor plate just inches from his head and the 20mm hit in his cockpit.  It definitely wasn't his day to die.


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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #191 on: July 10, 2008, 07:48:28 PM »
Sorry to bother you NoBaddy, feel free to remove your subscription to this thread and move on.  Thank you for sharing your opinion.

FWIW, I am fairly new, only a year and 8 months into the game. My current game name is 613Scca these days BTW.

Hmmm, more confusion. I wasn't being flippant. I do not understand how anyone can play this game for 18+ months and start a thread like this one. Unless it is a rant thread and merely an attempt to vent.

BTW, thanks for thanking me for my "opinion"...but, I didn't give an opinion. Have a nice day. :)
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #192 on: July 11, 2008, 10:43:36 AM »

Hey ... who let you out of the insane asylum anyways ? ... you, for all intents and purposes, vanished into thin air, and it now appears that you are back with a vengeance ... I like it.

Yea, I was in a bad car accident and had to have major neck surgery. I wasn't able to play for several months. It's still painful and uncomfortable to play, but it's getting better.
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #193 on: July 11, 2008, 10:44:45 AM »
Welcome back Z.  :salute

Glad you are recovering.
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #194 on: July 11, 2008, 10:57:05 AM »
Back in 1997 (ish) on AOL AirWarrior RR Europe, I recall a certain "well known" pilot in a Dora picking people left and right.  Myself and Sin upped and got a bit of alt on 'em, and chased them all over the place.  They ran to the ack at Assasin, we deacked it, so they then ran to the ack at the base to the East of it (can't quite remember the name), again, we chased and deacked it.

Said player did finally land as we deacked the last base, more 'cause we "let" them than anything, but the fact still remains they ran all over the map and wouldn't fight the two of us.  Me and Sin sure did have fun taunting them on channel for not fighting it out.

Can anybody guess said players name?

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