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Offline angelsandair

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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2008, 11:28:41 PM »
Since you have no experience with death BnZ how exactly do you come by this "knowledge of the fact"?

Maybe he's Emo, if that were true, it'd be his profession.
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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2008, 11:37:56 PM »
Pfft emos only fantasise about death. I bet if you took one and showed it death it would crap itself.
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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2008, 11:38:33 PM »
Okay, my turn of phrase was unfortunate. Try this: It seems very LIKELY to me from available evidence that death is the end and there is no supernatural. It seems to me that perhaps religion evolved once the human mind became advanced enough to comprehend its own mortality, because this knowledge is very difficult to take psychologically. This is why I think religion has stuck with us to this very day and may actually be nessecary, despite the many problems various religions have caused. Better?

What the devil is emo? Is that like an emu?  :huh

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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2008, 11:41:02 PM »
Emo is the new goth with fewer reasons to live.
I've actually been dead for a few minutes. Unfortunately I didn't learn my lesson and it took about 10 more years of bad habits before I came around. BUT I've had a peek of what's in store.
It's not going to be the same for everyone, but death is just another step. Read up on some of the Buddhist teachings. From what I experienced these guys are probably the closest of the lot to the truth.
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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2008, 11:44:57 PM »
Okay, my turn of phrase was unfortunate. Try this: It seems very LIKELY to me from available evidence that death is the end and there is no supernatural. It seems to me that perhaps religion evolved once the human mind became advanced enough to comprehend its own mortality, because this knowledge is very difficult to take psychologically. This is why I think religion has stuck with us to this very day and may actually be nessecary, despite the many problems various religions have caused. Better?

What the devil is emo? Is that like an emu?  :huh

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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2008, 11:48:00 PM »
.   NOONE is "ready for death".    You'll want another minute of life, even 30 seconds.   



You're damn right I will. Did it sound like I thought something else?

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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2008, 12:02:14 AM »
You're damn right I will. Did it sound like I thought something else?
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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2008, 01:35:30 AM »
What the devil is emo? Is that like an emu?  :huh

Bunch of loosers having a pitty party.

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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2008, 02:13:44 AM »

I believe that many psychological problems of the inhabitants of Western civilization may be caused by a void in spiritual belief, brought on by the increasingly untenable nature of religion in the face of attack by zealous atheists.


I believe that religious belief, for all the many, many bad things it has caused, also may have offered some sort of buffer against these realizations..


My heart-felt prayer, offered everyday to whatever powers may be, is not for any of the things I or any other man might desire, but simply, to be proven wrong on my skepticism of the supernatural!

So the decline in Western civilization is caused by lack of faith?Give me one example please...I'll give you two examples of people that were non believers and helped shape the rights of Americans to this day..Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln(& perhaps even Thomas Payne..his death bed story where he refused a minister's offer of salvation)

You may be an athiest in your disbelief of God,and your wish(or daily prayer) that you be proven wrong.

I am thankfull that there is absolutely no evidence to support such a horrible proposition..a diety or celestial dictatorship.I can't understand why anyone like yourself would wish it to be true...That's why i'm an anti-theist and not an athiest.
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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2008, 11:53:45 AM »
Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kla-BcN8u8Q&feature=related all three parts and then explain to me that you still belive. :uhoh
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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2008, 12:13:56 PM »


yet another absolutely ignorant statement from the town drama queen....


  NOONE is "ready for death". You'll want another minute of life, even 30 seconds.   





tell that to someone dying of some hideously painful and debilitating terminal disease........ 

like I told you in another thread...THINK .....then type......you still have that process backwards.

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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2008, 01:12:29 PM »
well, if there is no existence after death you will not know it. And if there is what will it be like , and how long will that last?  Eternity can be a very long time.

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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2008, 02:43:30 PM »
So the decline in Western civilization is caused by lack of faith?


Eh, I'd be more inclined to say that perhaps many are suffering from a general malaise caused by the apparent non-existence of traditionally accepted supernatural institutions.. People seem to have a need for a spiritual life, whether or not spirits exist. The brain even seems hard-wired to have religous experiences. We can speak of the ills wrought by  Christian zealots,  or zealots of any other religion, but I don't think you can totally discount the comfort millions have recieved from religious belief.

I am a believer in rational thinking and the scientific method. But it hasn't solved the problem of mortality, nor does that seem likely in the forseeable future. Even if medical science can eventually defeat death, it can do nothing for the millions who have already gone before, their hopes, dreams, knowledge, their unique selves wiped out forver, if athiestic suspicions are correct. Science can tell us that the universe itself is mortal, and can do even less about it than it can do about human mortality. Nor has science solved the deep flaws in human nature that lead so often to misery, even in the absence of material problems.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but shall have ever-lasting life." -John 3:16

"No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path... One that we all must take. The grey rain curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass. And then you see it. White shores... And beyond. A far green country, under a swift sunrise." -Gandalf, The Return of the King

Are all beliefs like this just stories we tell each other in the dark? Perhaps, but atheists haven't offered anyone anything better.

I am thankfull that there is absolutely no evidence to support such a horrible proposition..a diety or celestial dictatorship.I can't understand why anyone like yourself would wish it to be true...That's why i'm an anti-theist and not an athiest.

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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2008, 03:33:37 PM »
But it hasn't solved the problem of mortality, nor does that seem likely in the forseeable future. Even if medical science can eventually defeat death, it can do nothing for the millions who have already gone before, their hopes, dreams, knowledge, their unique selves wiped out forver, if athiestic suspicions are correct. Science can tell us that the universe itself is mortal, and can do even less about it than it can do about human mortality. Nor has science solved the deep flaws in human nature that lead so often to misery, even in the absence of material problems.
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. This hasn't come up sooner because of technological progress (or lack thereof), which is in no small part because of a lack of discipline and education, as well as a dogmatic resignation to the assumption that death is immutable. And I mean old age death, not fall off a cliff death.  So it's not "science" that's to blame for the countless lives lost to senescence... 
. Science is a process.  It doesn't "tell" anyone anything.  It's just an empirical tool for the empiricaly minded.  The stairs of progress grow upwards under the feet of scientific progress, and while it may well be an infinite recursion past the visible horizon, the "deep flaws in human nature" such as "misery" are IMO neither thanks to nor because of science or religion.  More often than not "misery" is inherent to people's state of mind. Faulty fundamental premises that only lead so far.
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Re: Religion vital to the human race?
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2008, 03:50:44 PM »
Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kla-BcN8u8Q&feature=related all three parts and then explain to me that you still belive. :uhoh

I still believe. This is just another yadda yadda way to look at it. So...you want people to believe in the Sun? Ok...fine...no biggie...instead of Jesus we'll have Sunny.  :rolleyes:
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