Author Topic: G10 (Read 260 times)

BigJim · « **on:** August 19, 2000, 09:15:00 PM »

why can you control the G10 in a "compressed state" with "trim input"??? It seems to me that once compressed the control surfaces no longer respond until the speed is down to acceptable norms, doesn't this apply to trim tabs also???

RAM · « **Reply #1 on:** August 19, 2000, 09:24:00 PM »

You can control the G10 over 400mph because the plane isnt compressed, bigjim.

It is simply that the control surfaces are stuck because the pilot cant move them with the airflow that exists over them.(sorta why the fist P38s werent able to roll at high speeds until boosted ailerons were fitted)

A compression happens when the plane reach a determinate Mach number (different in each plane),and you cant pull out of it by trimming (well you can,in all planes ,the plane answers slowly, when it uncompresses, tho, the trim up makes the nose go up and wings use to break here

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BigJim · « **Reply #2 on:** August 19, 2000, 11:50:00 PM »

ok thnaks Ram, but isn't the same question applied??? If the controls are too stiff to control how can the pilot apply trim??? I would think they would be stiff also???

RAM · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2000, 06:11:00 AM »

IIRC, trims hadn't the same problem as stick stifferning, mostly brecause they had way more force over the surfaces than the stick.

Of course you can argue that some planes had no trim for some surface controls...

But then I'd argue that Fw190 seems to have had automatic trim (read it somewhere,is that true?

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Jigster · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2000, 12:06:00 PM »

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Originally posted by RAM:
IIRC, trims hadn't the same problem as stick stifferning, mostly brecause they had way more force over the surfaces than the stick.

Of course you can argue that some planes had no trim for some surface controls...

But then I'd argue that Fw190 seems to have had automatic trim (read it somewhere,is that true? )

ayep. Twas a dweeb mobile.

And you try turning a yoke in a power dive on a plane with a 52ft span, no wonder it rolled poorly

no leverage.

- Jig
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1) Fw auto-trim
2) N1K2's auto combat flaps
3) Perked Fw-190 Dorka-9

Rendar · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2000, 03:58:00 PM »

The Fw-190's had automatic trim, automatic prop pitch, and automatic fuel mixture. They were controlled by a primitive computer. This made the Fw-190 a joy to fly compared to the Me-109's.

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Rendar

RAM · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2000, 07:20:00 PM »

I WANT I WANT I WANT

Hehehe now I have one more thing to whine about

funked · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2000, 08:43:00 PM »

Rendar the trim was not automatic. Pitch trim was operated by the pilot via an electric actuator which changed the horizontal stabilizer incidence. There was no trim mechanism for roll or yaw, just metal tabs that could be adjusted on the ground.

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BigJim · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2000, 08:56:00 PM »

Heheh no arguement from me I was just wondering why the G10 was modeled this way and you guys have given me the answer. It is easier to ask then to "whine" about

StSanta · « **Reply #9 on:** August 21, 2000, 11:37:00 AM »

But not half as fun!

Perk the PorkU! Pork the P-47! Kill the A5 (except for JG54, of course)

Let only me fly the G10!

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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

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Westy · « **Reply #10 on:** August 22, 2000, 11:15:00 AM »

"Pork the P-47! "

Don't you DARE!

-Westy

mx22 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 22, 2000, 12:06:00 PM »

Perk StSanta !!!!

or at least his socks!

mx22

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