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Offline batdog

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38 buttocks falling awaaaaay....? Pryo? HT?
« on: July 09, 2001, 07:49:00 AM »
Yea, we've heard it before but...what the hey. Okies... WHY is the 38's boom so EASY to shoot off? The target picture of a 38's tail boom is rather small. I mean think about it... the tail boom is comprised of 2 mini fusalges and a small wing. I would say this part should be AT most as hard to hit as a normal plane.
 
 Okies... number TWO. WHY is the 38 SO fragile overall? WHY???? I mean a NIKI is much tougher. A ZERO can take FAR more damage than a 38. You get a couple pings on a zero and it keeps flying, you get a ping on a 38 and you see your plane lose pieces,lose an engine or get a pilot wound.

 I realize I am no expert thus this post will most likely be ignored but I felt I had to say it again.

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2001, 08:16:00 AM »
100% percent of my P-38 flights lately have ended because whole elevator were shoot off thouhgt both booms and rudders were still there.
I wonder how many P-38 went down in WW2 'cause missing elevators ?

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For me it looks more like a glass-tailed...
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2001, 11:17:00 AM »
P-38 has very narrow booms.  It's like two tiny airplanes flying in formation.  And all you have to do is shoot down one of the tiny planes to bring down the whole thing.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2001, 11:22:00 AM »
There is a very simple explanation as to why the P38 is so fragile in AH....  Citabria!  

If the P38 was more durable, that guy would NEVER get shot down!   :p
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2001, 11:26:00 AM »
Funked... I agree BUT they outta be a wee bit harder to hit than they are now. As of now an individual can sprey my 6 from cl;ose to 1k away and take my tail off. Its silly.

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2001, 11:35:00 AM »
Agreed. EVERY SINGLE P-38 MISSION I do ends in that lost-elevator tail-slide.

Even if this is historically accurate (and I don't think it is), how about some concessions just for the sake of gameplay/variety? How about dying for a different reason once in a while?
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2001, 04:39:00 PM »
I don't know about damage. Last time I played AH online I had P-38 going vertical on me and I had only 39 bullets left. Every bullet hit and nothing happend. He was about 75 deg from horizon and me. 300 away. Engine cocpit, tail, everything. Too bad I didn't record that moment, that was trully classic.  :D
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2001, 06:00:00 PM »
Xbat, the 38 historically had its tail booms held to the body of the plane by 2nd hand pantyhoses stapled to the wings. 38 pilots had to have a keen eye to avoid mosquitoes, dust particles, raindrops and the least of its concerns, enemy bullets, if they wanted to come home alive.  :)

AH has this wonderfully modeled, so quit yer whining, its perfectly accurate!  ;)


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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2001, 01:39:00 AM »
Its not just the Tail boom its the engines too they take 1 ping and they stop working.
Here is a list of damage I have taken in the past 12 sorties in the P38.

  1- both engines killed- ditch ( a total of 2 shots hit me 1 in each engine)
  2- Tail boom shot off (1 ping)
  3- Tail boom shot off (1 ping)
  4- Tail boom shot off (1 ping)
  5- Tail boom shot off (1 ping)
  6- 1 stabalizer shot off and 1 engine and a gear hit- Landed (18 shots from ground fire)  
  7- Tail boom shot off (1ping)
  8- Tail boom shot off (1 ping)
  9- Tail Boom shot off (1 ping)
  10- Radiator hit- RTB (1 ping)
  11- both engine killed and TAIL BOOM SHOT OFF (5 pings)  :mad:
  12- augered fighting a Spit 9 ( I was afraid my tail boomb would get shot off)  :D

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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2001, 07:01:00 AM »
Yea... now I CAN SEE where multi hits on any part of a plane w/cannon would mean the end of a tail section, 38 included. I some how have a hard time thinking that ONE ping would always mean the end. The tail is an all metal stucture designed to take the abuse of high airspeeds... vibrations etc. The hit would most likely distort the metal perhaps sometimes lessening the control surface or maybe not even that. I COULD also see where ONE hit w/a CANNON too could every now and then take off the rear stablizer totaly...but NOT a .50 cal.

 I wish the damage generation for the 38 could be looked into.

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2001, 07:21:00 AM »
Same for the FW190 A and D series engines and P38 engines. HTC please fix these bugs.
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2001, 07:46:00 AM »
I will repeat myself ... since when is there a corrélation between the number of ping heard and the number of projectiles your plane got ?

Last night I got a private msg from a guys saying (in substance) "lucky one ping hispano bastard" but on my FE I seen about 10 flash and fired about 40 shell ... who is wrong him or me ?
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2001, 07:53:00 AM »
Straffo, I'd say its a mixed bag... visual cues in game are not fail safe with the net and its inconsitencies.

 The safe bet is to film it and then look at how you died from a 3rd person perspective and SEE perhaps what THEY see?

 There is a basis for some skeptism here though concerning the damage model. It happens FAR to reqularly for it to always be net related...

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2001, 08:04:00 AM »
well ...
 
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I don't really care  :)
If I'm geting killed it's either because I sucked or because I sucked  ;)
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2001, 09:15:00 AM »
Yes... and no. I often die because I allowed an individual to gain my 6... or perhaps my SA was bad or perhaps I dived in just not caring. I will not claim to be some uber pilot..even a good pilot. The point of this is simply that a random deflection shot from someone shouldnt always end up with a 38's tail flopping away in the breeze. THATS my point.
Thanks for your input though... its very insightful.  :)

xBAT
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