Why Obama might just be worth voting for...

[AKIron]

He is the next president of the United States, so give him some respect.

You go first.

[Toad]

The most amazing thing is that after 8 years of Republican presidency (since Roosevelt, the Presidency has been held by the same party for three consecutive terms only ONE time, Reagan/Reagan/Bush), after Bush II made a clusterfox of his two terms, with a home mortgage crisis, with an oil crisis, with the Republicans running another old white man...the AMAZING thing is that the race is still tight.

In fact, a Gallup poll says that amongst likely voters McCain is in the lead.

The Friday-Sunday poll, mostly conducted as Obama was returning from his much-publicized overseas trip and released just this hour, shows McCain now ahead 49%-45% among voters that Gallup believes are most likely to go to the polls in November. In late June, he was behind among likely voters, 50%-44%.

At the RealClearPolitics Poll Averages page, Obama has ~3 point lead when six different polls are averaged. That's within the margin of polling error most likely.

So again,  given the history of parties holding the Presidency for 3 terms and the in light of the Bush clusterfox the amazing thing is that Obama is essentially neck and neck.

While the media has annoited him King and crowned him as the New Messiah, it may not be decided just yet. Those pesky voters still have to go to the polls you know.

[Rolex]

Sure seems like people will not be voting for anyone; they'll be voting against someone.

[Hangtime]

Sure seems like people will not be voting for anyone; they'll be voting against someone.

Yup. Politics as usual. I never voted for either Bush... I voted against Dukakis, Gore and Kerry.

[crockett]

I don't want a cut & run president with foreign policy.

I want a "wow, your a mass murdering slimeball that just might WMD (maybe) and who threatens his neighbors..then you might be NEXT" president.

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

Play Whack-A-Mole with those who deserve it.

What's that prayer?  Protect those who cannot protect themselves?

No rookies for president, thank you.



ROX

You know I find it quite funny that when Clinton was president and we had the whole "Black Hawk Down" ordeal.. The typical Republican banter of the time, was pull our troops out of there because Americans shouldn't be involved in another nation's civil war. Clinton however stuck to the original pull out plans that were already in progress. (a often forgotten fact that we were already in the process of pulling out of there prior to the troops getting killed).

Then a few years later all of the sudden it's catchy phrases start popping up claiming "Clinton cut and run" and Republicans wouldn't have ever done that. You guys and your selective memory really crack me up sometimes. Just make up a catchy phrase and that's all you need, because everyone in America has a memory of about 5 mins..

Oh and in case you don't believe me.. well here is your boy John McCain crying that we must pull our troops out of Somalia after troops were killed there. Can you say.. "Cut & Run"?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d5BY1RgKf64

So does this make John McCain a Flip Flopper yet once again, or is it just a evil liberal conspiracy... 


Oh and lets not even get into the whole Republican's second coming of Jesus Ronald Regan and his little so called war on drugs and the Iran Contra affair.

[mg1942]

Obama will win but...

After that, I don't want to see blacks ever use the race card and victim card again.  No more "but it's whitey's fault" for their social ills and their economic situation.

_{I'm Asian btw}

[bj229r]

You know I find it quite funny that when Clinton was president and we had the whole "Black Hawk Down" ordeal.. The typical Republican banter of the time, was pull our troops out of there because Americans shouldn't be involved in another nation's civil war. Clinton however stuck to the original pull out plans that were already in progress. (little forgotten fact that we were already in the process of pulling out of there prior to the troops getting killed).

Then a few years later all of the sudden it's catchy phrases start popping up claiming "Clinton cut and run" and Republicans wouldn't have ever done that. You guys and your selective memory really crack me up sometimes. Just make up a catchy phrase and that's all you need..

I remember it quite vividly--those guys sat there surrounded in total combat for 24 hours straight, dying one after another, because we had no ARMOR there with which to extract them....the REASON we has no armor there was the late Clinton Sec Def Les Aspin overruled commanders on the ground requests for same, because he was afraid it would look like we were "escalating" the situation, ala Vietnam, because every good liberal knows EVERY military scenario is 'another Vietnam'. I don't remember anyone wanting to pull out, everyone remotely connected with what happened wanted to avenge the deaths of our boys whose bodies were dragged through the streets by these punks. There have been several articles which  quote that Bin Laden was heartened by Clinton's later pull-out, which affirmed his belief that America would quit if you bloodied her nose

[Hangtime]

You know I find it quite funny that when Clinton was president and we had the whole "Black Hawk Down" ordeal.. The typical Republican banter of the time, was pull our troops out of there because Americans shouldn't be involved in another nation's civil war. Clinton however stuck to the original pull out plans that were already in progress. (a often forgotten fact that we were already in the process of pulling out of there prior to the troops getting killed).

Then a few years later all of the sudden it's catchy phrases start popping up claiming "Clinton cut and run" and Republicans wouldn't have ever done that. You guys and your selective memory really crack me up sometimes. Just make up a catchy phrase and that's all you need, because everyone in America has a memory of about 5 mins..

Oh and in case you don't believe me.. well here is your boy John McCain crying that we must pull our troops out of Somalia after troops were killed there. Can you say.. "Cut & Run"?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d5BY1RgKf64

So does this make John McCain a Flip Flopper yet once again, or is it just a evil liberal conspiracy... 

Nope... he recognized Somalia as a geographical sphincter not worth a single American life once it became exceedingly apparent that the nation could not and would not govern itself. It remains a lawless sphincter. And then, as now; he did not/does not think that any withdrawal of troops be based on a timeline.

[Toad]

Sure seems like people will not be voting for anyone; they'll be voting against someone.

I'm either voting FOR Ron Paul, FOR Bob Barr or FOR Chuck Baldwin.

I haven't decided which one yet.

I'll be damned if I'm voting for more of the same in DC and that's what you get with either Dems or Reps.

[crockett]

I remember it quite vividly--those guys sat there surrounded in total combat for 24 hours straight, dying one after another, because we had no ARMOR there with which to extract them....the REASON we has no armor there was the late Clinton Sec Def Les Aspin overruled commanders on the ground requests for same, because he was afraid it would look like we were "escalating" the situation, ala Vietnam, because every good liberal knows EVERY military scenario is 'another Vietnam'. I don't remember anyone wanting to pull out, everyone remotely connected with what happened wanted to avenge the deaths of our boys whose bodies were dragged through the streets by these punks. There have been several articles which  quote that Bin Laden was heartened by Clinton's later pull-out, which affirmed his belief that America would quit if you bloodied her nose

Perhaps you should watch the video. It's a recording of John McCain stating that we should pull out on CSpan. You don't have to remember anything because now history can be recorded.

[Maverick]

TDR and JFK were rookies too...

Rookies in what manner? IIRC correctly both had a life before politics and served the nation at risk of their own life before turning to politics. Exactly how does obama resemble them?

IMO JFK did 3 things right as a President. He started the Green Beret's, the space race and he died before screwing up more stuff than the bay of Pigs. It's a damn shame that oswald didn't take out LBJ as well. There might be a lot of folks alive right now.

[Toad]

It's a damn shame that oswald didn't take out LBJ as well. There might be a lot of folks alive right now.

There's a genuine no-shirter.

[BTW]

A president whose only real platform is his skin color could actually benefit this nation... Here is how:

1.)   A little bit of 'okay, let's do it your way' might go a long way with global public opinion. It would be a wasted 4 years, of course, but after this period, we could settle into a more pragmatic form of foreign policy with the added credability of having tried to do things differently.

2.)   This nation's addiction to political correctness can be satiated, once and for all. Obama can be the equivalent of a drug overdose for those segments of our society that can't bare to act freely and practically out of fear of offending somebody. His 4 years may well get done, in one short, painful period, what would otherwise take an eternity of gradual societal castration.

A bitter but quick pill, and one that this nation has longed to take can, in fact, make clear to the entire nation the folly of the path we've been slowly treading for decades. After the pill has been digested and excreted, we can all sober up and get back to business.

Doubt I would vote for him either way, but for the sake of helping a doomed social experiment die faster, maybe 4 years of Obama might accomplish something. Frankly, I think the sacrifice might be worth it if it gets the PC movement out of our collective system, once and for all.

The flaw in your argument is assuming these things are desirable. We shouldn't appease other nations and we shouldn't bow to political correctness ( sort of a marketing approach to harmony). So basically you are saying we should cut off an arm so the other grows stronger? I'll pass.

[superpug1]

If Obama get elected IM gunna have to bury my guns...

[FrodeMk3]

Rookies in what manner? IIRC correctly both had a life before politics and served the nation at risk of their own life before turning to politics. Exactly how does obama resemble them?

IMO JFK did 3 things right as a President. He started the Green Beret's, the space race and he died before screwing up more stuff than the bay of Pigs. It's a damn shame that oswald didn't take out LBJ as well. There might be a lot of folks alive right now.

Make that two, Maverick. In all fairness, the space race started way before JFK; It was more of an Eisenhower thing, if that.