to stray off subject momentarily... what possible evidence is there that CO2 is "bad" for the planet? The greenhouse effect (and so called global warming) is a THEORY and not a FACT. A major ice age (the alternative to the warming we've had for the last 100,000 years or so) would do far more harm than the worst predicted effects of "global warming". Additionally if Human activities HAVE caused a slight rise in the average mean temperature on Earth, then please explain the almost identical rise (on a year by year basis) in the mean temperature on Mars and other bodies in our solar system! The real "inconvenient truth" is that our sun is an irregular variable star. Unlike the thin evidence presented by the lunatic fringe of the radical environmental movement this is an undisputed FACT and has far more to do with variations in the Earths climate than anthing humankind could do to "change" it. Do yourself a favor and research real science and not the politically motovated alternative to actual facts and observations. Maybe then you could also be a heretic, excommunicated from the church of manmade climate change, like me!
my idea is this carbon gases do assist in heating the temp of the Earth or any other planetary object that hs them. This is truth and if you read the other post that I wrote you would see that there has been no scientific evidence that says we are not increasing this as a matter of fact we are increasing the amount released into the atmosphere. Now the real question here is how much of a difference are we making. maybe it is not the majority of it (most likely not) but I think any amount that can be avoided should be. Yes the Earth and Sun have fluctuations and yes the Earth has been hotter and not really sure here but the Earth probably at some time had more CO in the atmosphere than it does now. My simple point here is we have options now maybe not perfect ones but what is perfect.
Believe it or not I do believe that we are in the middle of a heating cycle and I have seen and read some scientific evidence that says the same. Even most if not all of those say though that the most likely cause of such heatings especially in the past has been CO release and those releases have almost been exclusively from natural causes. These are volcanoes, fires burning from lightning strikes and the volcanoes as well (even before man) but what most of these are saying is that man does add to the problem not create it. This has actually been my theory all along. You say that all the increases have been from the Sun but the funny thing is when they have done rock studies and taken ice samples they find increased amounts of carbon in these samples.
Do me a favor and show me some of that non-politically motivated science that you are talking about. It is easy to say I have nothing to do with the problem as a matter of fact it is easier to provide excuses for the purposes of denial than it is to say I might be increasing the problem even if only a little. Every has a theory as to where the excess heat is coming from and we all feel pretty strongly about them. The one thing most of us agree on is it is heating up. Even in my short 35 years on Earth and living in the same area I have noticed it warming fairly dramatically. I remember when much younger the average snow storm produced at least a foot of snow, now we only get one or two and they rarely reach 6 inches.
Most likely all the facctors that we all seem to want to defend are at play. I just think if we are even a small portion of the problem then we should be doing what we can to minimize it. I usually try to look at all sides before making my decision on what I think is right not just one and I try to not take into account what works for me when I do make my decision as well.
As far as explaining the rise in temps on Mars. Why don't you show me evidence of it is rising at the same rate as Earth. I tried to search for it but was unable to find anything that lead me to that conclusion. Let alone any of the other bodies of the solar system.
Again I will say that it is most likely not any one thing that causes the Earth to heat and I am not saying that the CO side of the problem is all or even mostly from us but some of the gas that is causing some of the problem comes from human release and I feel that we should look to make this release as little as possible. We can't stop the natural order of things but we can limit the negative additions that mankind has a tendency to do.
By your response it seems that you either think I am stupid or I am talking down to anybody that has a different opinion than I do. I am not either of those. I am simply giving my take on the situation, then someone asked a question in regards to my post and now as usual someone wants to blow it out of proportion. Now once again I am reminded why I stay out of O'club
edit: Look I am not trying to sway anyone over to my opinions. I offer links to some of the places where I read some of the information that swayed me only for the purposes of showing that I did not just say well I want it to be this way so that is what I think is right. If you disagree then fine but why not show me where you got some of your opinions.
