Waffen SS Squad?

[Furball]

Some groups did commit atrocities, but the majority were just awesome combat troops.

Awesome combat troops in the sense that they were well trained, experienced, well equipped and had good morale.  They were excellent fighters.

I am not a Nazi sympathiser or indeed not denying that atrocities were committed.

[DaveJ]

The SS Totenkopf was the most infamous Waffen SS division in regards to being concentration camp guards.

As Furball said, most of the rest were front line troops and took their place in the Wehrmacht order of battle.

I don't think a squad in AH should be named after them, however.

[Hajo]

We had a squad named waffenSS previously.  It is no longer with us.  that answers the question.

[Xargos]

If it's the same people who pulled this stunt last year they need to be banned.  This is not the place for that stuff.

[saantana]

Furball I never suggested anything to the contrary. I do not believe anyone on this board or even the CO of the squad is any kind of nazi supporter. I think it must be either a provocation or a young man who simply doesn't know what shudders the two letters SS make on many still living today.

DaveJ we agree on something. I call that progress and I'll have a Zywiec to go with it!

[BlauK]

It is never just black or white, but varying shades of gray.

Someone else could e.g. be offended by British or American bomber squadrons, because of killing civilians - women and children - intentionally. Atrocities happened in wars, usually on both/all sides, even in the recent ones.

Even though I don't approve the Nazis or the SS-organization, I do not condemn every SS-soldier for what some of them did. Then again, I also cannot see any sensible reason to use SS in connection with AH squadron names. After all, the SS units were only ground troops, and AH is a Flight sim

[saantana]

It is never just black or white, but varying shades of gray.

Someone else could e.g. be offended by British or American bomber squadrons, because of killing civilians - women and children - intentionally. Atrocities happened in wars, usually on both/all sides, even in the recent ones.

Even though I don't approve the Nazis or the SS-organization, I do not condemn every SS-soldier for what some of them did. Then again, I also cannot see any sensible reason to use SS in connection with AH squadron names. After all, the SS units were only ground troops, and AH is a Flight sim

I'm not sure this argument holds.
Dropping bombs from thousands of feet is not the same as shooting people at point blank range, mass execution style.

[DaveJ]

I'm not sure this argument holds.
Dropping bombs from thousands of feet is not the same as shooting people at point blank range, mass execution style.

Spot on.

[BlauK]

Yup, true. The bombs usually kill more.

[saantana]

Yup, true. The bombs usually kill more.

Are you sure about that?
Edit: In overall figures your probably right. However if we were to include concentration camps in which SS played a role, we would come up with similar numbers I believe.
But that is besides the point. I do not believe a pilot dropping bombs on a city holds the same responsibility as a soldier shooting a civilian at point blank range. Not all of those pilots would be able to do the second, however all of those SS members in question would be able to do the first.

[Guppy35]

The SS Totenkopf was the most infamous Waffen SS division in regards to being concentration camp guards.

As Furball said, most of the rest were front line troops and took their place in the Wehrmacht order of battle.

I don't think a squad in AH should be named after them, however.

You gents have been victims of revisionist history that has done a fairly effective job of trying to paint the Waffen SS as just another branch of the German military.  The 1st SS  Liebstandarte were Hitler's bodyguards to start.

Fanatical combat troops and very effective?  Yes.  loyalty oath to Hitler.  Yes.  Commit attrocities all over the place?  Yes.

It would be an inappropriate squad name in here.  What the Waffen SS has to do with an air combat game is beyond me.  They were not a squadron at any point.

[BlauK]

Fanatical combat troops and very effective?  Yes.  loyalty oath to Hitler.  Yes.  Commit atrocities all over the place?  Yes.

Again none of these are just black or white.

- I doubt the old men and young boys in 1945 Berlin were always very fanatical or effective.
- Giving a military oath is a ritual, who can say what each individual truly thinks. Married couples give oaths to each other, but do they all honor them?
- Every unit in every place, eh?

[fuzeman]

If you are concerned about a squadron's name, take a screenshot of the name off the roster and email it to HTC for them to review and make the final judgement.


ack-ack

Thats the way to do it. I see a Fuzzy Bunnies in thier future.

[Delirium]

There is little difference between having Waffen SS or the Klu Klux Klan as a squad name

Both are a group of thugs that fought for the losing side of history and have vile deeds associated with their name.

[pluck]

nm, already been said