Waffen SS Squad?

[killnu]

thank goodness this is all over...I was having such a hard time sleeping at night...

[Rich46yo]

From the Jewish "virtual Library"http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Dietrich.html Or, let me guess teacher. They have some reason to protect he memory of Sepp Dietrich.

Though an SS soldier to the core, Sepp Dietrich did not hold extremist views and his loyalty to his troops remained paramount. He protected them against SS Chief Heinrich Himmler whom he frequently referred to with barely concealed contempt as "the Reichsheini." He also personally protested to Hitler twice about the shooting of Jews.

Your not "dumbing" nothing down. Apparently I finally got you to say what was on your mind without giving a homework assignment. I know the atrocities these two, and other, members of the SS committed. I never said they didn't, you cant seem to understand that can you?

And actually before you give out homework assignments you should get your own ducks in a row. Before Malmedy Sepp Dietrich had also a brilliant career as a combat soldier in both world wars. Even his Malmedy complicity was disputed and he personally complained to Hitler several times about the treatment of Jews. Tho I suppose the Jews here have some reason for saying so.http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Dietrich.html Maybe you should study history your ownself before you start giving out homework assignments.

I'm glad your done with it. Cause you have a really poor grasp of history, and to make it worse, you actually think you know what your talking about. Tho I must say your timezones in front of these two Intellectuals. For the purposes of the thread I'll call them twittle dee and twittle dum.

First, twittle dee

See this is another of rich's  bag of 1337 trick. Claim they are doing what he is doing. 
Rich your like a Pavlov dog.
 I ring the bell and you drool.  Get a napkin you've embarrassing yourself.

Then, twittle dum.

An aside...about "ankle humping." I don't think that word means what you think it means!

Dogs ankle hump humans they like, but as a dominance behavior. Around here people use the phrase they way WC Fields used "Go away kid, you bother me." Around here its mostly used to describe those who oppose you and butt into your conversation, although sometimes folks come close to the actual meaning when they describe fanboys jumping in where they're not wanted.

In short, Rich, there are absolutely NO ankle humpers involved in this conversation.

OK rich, let me dumb it down for you.   The question was whether a Waffen SS name was appropriate for AH.  I said no because of what the Waffen SS was during WW2, Hitler's private army lead by men who were fanatically devoted to Hitler both in ideology and their fanaticism.  This was instilled in their Waffen SS units which were organized seperately, did not operate under normal German military law, and were renowned for their atrocities in whatever theater of the war they fought in. 

Does it make every SS man a war criminal?  No.  Does it make them just ordinary soldiers like the Whermacht?  No.  My suggestion for you to research the histoy of Sepp Deitrich and Sepp Deitrich was because they were the Division Commanders of the First two SS Combat divisions.  They set the tone, and their history is full of murder, concentration camp attrocities, racial superiority etc. 

Again anything representing that in a flight sim is inappropriate to me.

If that's not clear enough for you, I don't know what else to tell you.   Frankly I'm tired of trying to explain it to you as clearly you don't get it.

In that regards I'm done with it.  In the end it's HTC's decision anyway.

[BaldEagl]

How to make friends and influence people.   

[SkyRock]

How to make friends and influence people.   

Make your first name,      Bald!

[Hazzer]

This is turning nasty,please somebody pull the plug.INand out.

[bongaroo]

From the ...blah blah blah...too much to quote the whole thing.
Then, twittle dum.  

You sir are rude and of a dubious nature.

[saantana]

Well I'm glad I have raised the issue as I see a somewhat civil discussion arose out of it. I send my special greetings to those who have stood up and shared their own views.
Althought I do not agree with the opposing side arguments I respect your views. I do hope they will change over time however.
Any organization that has the blood of innocent civilians killed in a deliberate and monster like fashion should be condemned and treated as the cowards they are. This does not just encompass the SS, but other organizations such as the Soviet secret services, the KKK's in the states, or the jihadists in the modern muslim world.
Those that sided that the SS were proffesional soldiers, I do ask you to reverse the question upon yourselves and imagine if the name was 'Osama bin Laden' or 'Jihad against Wester Civilization in general'. How would you respond to views that those jihadists that can saw off innocent peoples heads infront of cameras are 'proffesional soldiers'? Would you side with them, and if not, does that not cripple your arguments? I think it does.
All of these extremist organizations share one common trait. They are not disgusted by the killing of the innocent in a personal and monster like fashion. Women, children, little girls and boys.
Dropping bombs on orders and face to face execution are two very different things. It takes two very different people to commit these acts. The justice system makes that distinction. I hope you do as well.
Again thank you for participating.

[VonMessa]

Boy, am I sure glad that we, as Americans are so innocent and above reproach.

I see a lot of bashing the SS, the Muslims, the Soviets, etc.  Ever wonder how a Native American felt?

No mention of any of that here   

Thought I'd toss that out there, just to add my worthless .02

[Patches1]

Wow! Another American Indian vs US Army comparison to Nazi Germany post!

It seems to me that many would like to compare the USA to Nazi Germany via American Hisory. If so, please show me where in American History that MILLIONS of American Indians were rounded up, placed in cattle cars and transported to a place of genocide. Please, please, show me where the "reservations" were built, in advance, for the sole purpose of exterminating American Indians by the MILLIONS in a short, 8 year period of time!

Americans are not above reproach...we've made mistakes, and admitted to them.

Isn't IGNORANCE bliss?

[VonMessa]

I just thought I'd stir the pot, congrats, you took the bait, I guess I made a good cast.   

I guess though, just to satisfy you (maybe even to evoke, yet again, another response) it wasn't pre-planned for the natives of this country, so that makes it that much more insignificant, and less "evil"?

When lives are lost and humans are slaughtered wholesale, I would think that it would be bad regardless of the numbers.

(that was my 2nd cast) 

[Nisky]

I have one thing to say i have half of my family that lives in Austria. My second cousin was drafted in to the Waffen SS. He was basically like the home guard in austria. My grandfather explained to me as this there were two different SS groups you had your shock troops and you had your basic scum of the earth nazi SS. Its not like my cousin had a choice they lined you up in the village and said you, you, and you your drafted if you said no they shot you on the spot. IIRC had two other cousins one was captured in italy by the British and one was killed on the Russian front and he was part of the SS also but was a tank gunner. But to have it in a game i must agree that it is in bad taste to name a squad that the bad of the SS far out weighs the good IMHO.

[VonMessa]

Of course it's in bad taste.

There are plenty of tasteless things in this and many other games. 

To have a 17 page thread about one tasteless thing is very amusing.

[Yenny]

Can't believe it got to 17 pages lol.

[xOLLYx]

I have a book called Loyalty is my Honor - it is all personal accounts by soldiers of the Waffen SS.  Some groups did commit atrocities, but the majority were just awesome combat troops.  It is a shame for the majority who did fight properly that the name has been tainted because they really were very good.


Would recommend this book to anyone: http://www.amazon.com/Loyalty-My-Honor-Gordon-Williamson/dp/0760300127

I do not personally find it offensive, but can understand others would.

i have that book as well and i all so have a book call the black order it gos on how and what the ss where did you know there was 2 ss one was called allgemeine ss and the waffen ss the allgemeine where the ones who done the orders to kill all jews and ran the show and the waffen ss where the soldiers who took orders yes the waffen did some warcrimes like the members of the Direwangers Brigade who where drunks and thiefs who raped killed and robbed but most of the waffen ss where highly trained good soldiers who took the rap for warcrimes they never done

[bongaroo]

We didn't kill millions (we really don't have a good count of how many died from the diseases early explorers exposed them to) but we sure do have something to be very ashamed of.

http://www.cherokeebyblood.com/trailtears.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears