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Offline Delirium

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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2008, 01:22:35 AM »
Neither one of the candidates have convinced me they will

1. Fix the economy.

2. Avoid the imports (from both the Middle East AND the Orient).

3, Protect me and my family.

McCain- 1. He is clueless and has admitted it.
            2. Hasn't taken any stance except a gas tax holiday, in fact is against an-war drilling.
            3. Seems able to perform #3, at the cost of continued foreign engagements. Only time will tell if this
                      is going to work..

Obama   1. Increased taxation to increase entitlements will make the economy worse.
            2. Wants to avoid oil imports but doesn't want to increase drilling for the short term in case the
                      alternative energy sources don't work as soon as intended. Orient imports would continue.
            3. Wants to leave the Middle East, regardless of the consequences for both the Middle East and the
                       safety of our home shores.
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Wish we had a viable 3rd candidate, there is a country (I forget which one) that has a 'none of the above' option and if the 3rd option gets the most votes, then new candidates must be drawn up and the election process begins anew.

« Last Edit: August 05, 2008, 03:29:07 AM by Delirium »
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Offline wrag

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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2008, 01:51:04 AM »
Delirium said

"Wish we had a viable 3rd candidate, there is a country (I forget which one) that has a 'none of the above' option and if the 3rd option gets the most votes, then new candidates must be drawn up and the election process begins anew."

Only place I've ever seen or heard of that was in a Libertarian Novel by L. Neil Smith called "the Probability Broach".

Enjoyed the book BTW.  Also enjoyed his similar book called "Pallas"

Maybe we should push for that?

Cause IMHO right now they got us by the short hairs...............
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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2008, 02:05:25 AM »
I think I will go with the old line

Let's make guns illegal so only the criminals have them. Now that is the kind of world I want. The kind where the only threat the criminals have is police who won't be there until after you are shot and killed.

Back on subject though, I wouldn't let some half witted promise from a politian whose only real goal is to get voted into office be a deciding factor. I am even going to go with Bronk in his balanced idea. We have seen more than once what happens when our Fed gov is mostly one party or another and that is also not a good situation.

I personally would love to see the parties done away. It seems now that our government is not run by or votes cast based on politians ideas of right and wrong which is the way I and manyof the people I know vote them in but by the party deciding what they want to see and the office holder goes with it so that he/she can be nominated again. At least that is how they act to me.

In Heinlein's the Moon is a Harsh Mistress when the moonies formed their Government it was suggested they should have one house who's only job was to UNMAKE laws <sigh> incredible idea!

BTW in a couple of novels written by Libertarians their are many parties and NONE of em have any real power, it all belongs to the people that VOTE.  And on the ballet there is a NONE OF THE ABOVE and if that wins then NO ONE holds the office voted on.

I would REALLY REALLY like to see a NONE OF THE ABOVE on our ballets and if the 2nd time around that one won the election then the office would remain vacant for the following term....

That would require some changes such as a law would/could NOT be passed it their were no President to sign it, veto it, or ignore it?

OR perhaps a better idea would be any laws in the works could not be passed into law unless  a vote BY THE PEOPLE was for it?

Just some thoughts.......

expensive?  perhaps but how much is freedom worth?
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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #63 on: August 05, 2008, 02:34:12 AM »
SNIP
So guessing the 1st and probably the 4th, but IMHO he would go after the 2nd BIGTIME...
SNIP

Maybe The 2nd Amendment Will Go After HIM!  LOL
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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #64 on: August 05, 2008, 03:29:06 AM »
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2. Wants to avoid oil imports but doesn't want to increase drilling for the short term in case the alternative energy sources don't work as soon as intended. Orient imports would continue.

Obama has changed policy and now supports limited Alaskan exploitation and off-shore drilling to enable a new energy strategy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7541291.stm
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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #65 on: August 05, 2008, 03:32:26 AM »
Obama has changed policy and now supports limited Alaskan exploitation and off-shore drilling to enable a new energy strategy.

Must of just happened today...

Personally, I'm against any release of the reserve unless it is to make the prices of oil crash. Otherwise, it is just a bandaid on a sucking chest wound, so to speak.
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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #66 on: August 05, 2008, 06:19:12 AM »
Hey everybody I'm gonna get the big bad oil companies to give each of you $1000!
Why? ...

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Enquiring entrepreneurs want to know. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama's "emergency" plan, announced on Friday, doesn't offer any clarity. To pay for "stimulus" checks of $1,000 for families and $500 for individuals, the Senator says government would take "a reasonable share" of oil company profits.

Mr. Obama didn't bother to define "reasonable," and neither did Dick Durbin, the second-ranking Senate Democrat, when he recently declared that "The oil companies need to know that there is a limit on how much profit they can take in this economy." Really? This extraordinary redefinition of free-market success could use some parsing.

Interesting article...puts things into perspective: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121780636275808495.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2008, 06:56:19 AM »
Here is more on NObama................ :)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71431

and here is someones take on voting in 08...........

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71251


and here is my take on what far to many modern Liberal Democrats SEEM to believe....

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/04/world-citizenship/
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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #68 on: August 05, 2008, 07:02:10 AM »
I notice there are 2 camps here...

The Obama koolaid and the Hater-rade
Shouldn't you be busy googleing thr GT-R.
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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #69 on: August 05, 2008, 07:24:21 AM »
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/08/obama-says-he-h.html

I don't care much about the global warming reasons why this should be done, but If he can reduce our dependency on Middle East oil and Venezuela as promised he's got my vote.  

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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2008, 07:43:07 AM »
Obama has changed policy and now supports limited Alaskan exploitation and off-shore drilling to enable a new energy strategy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7541291.stm

he'll change his mind again next week. stay tuned.
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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2008, 07:46:50 AM »
You people?! This is why we should all vote for Obama! Racism!!  :rolleyes:

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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2008, 08:05:57 AM »
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/08/obama-says-he-h.html

I don't care much about the global warming reasons why this should be done, but If he can reduce our dependency on Middle East oil and Venezuela as promised he's got my vote.   

 :aok


 :rofl :rofl :rofl

He'll be about as effective doing that as he will be at making radical Islamists love us all. He's about as likely to actually DO anything as he is to make pigs fly on their own.
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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2008, 08:11:37 AM »
Obama has changed policy and now supports limited Alaskan exploitation and off-shore drilling to enable a new energy strategy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7541291.stm


That's because NOW he's trying to gather votes from the center and the right. See, this is how you define "hope" and "change". He would like to "hope" that if he will "change" his position often enough, he will get more votes.

It never ceases to amaze me how people are stupid enough to believe what a politician says instead of looking to see how he has actually voted.
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Re: That does it I'm voting for Obama..
« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2008, 11:17:33 AM »
Kool aid anyone?  :noid