WTG Texas!!

[angelsandair]

Well, I fully support the death penalty, the guy has had many chances in life to correct what he's done, he didn't.

[Skuzzy]

The cost of appeals and court time in a death penalty case are exponentially higher than a life without parole case.<snip>

Sorry, but the guy doing life in prison is going to continue appeals until the court finally says stop.  Quite frankly we need more judges to put an end to the never ending appeal process anyway.  It has been far too abused.  Give then a 3 strike rule.  That will end that merry-go-round.

[bongaroo]

Sorry, but the guy doing life in prison is going to continue appeals until the court finally says stop.  Quite frankly we need more judges to put an end to the never ending appeal process anyway.  It has been far too abused.  Give then a 3 strike rule.  That will end that merry-go-round.

But it is still much less costly than the process to put someone to death.  I'm mearly discrediting your notion that your tax dollars are better spent without the death penalty, being that is what you mentioned as a reason for it.

[Skuzzy]

You have not discredited anything. 

Take two inmates.  One is kept alove for 60 years in prison on my nickle.  The other is put to death 8 months after his conviction.  Which one costs me more?  The shortest length of time for an inmate to be on death row in Texas is around 8 months.  Meanwhile, my taxes are feeding and clothing the lifer.  Also paying for more prison space to be built when the prisons run out of space.

You see, you can twist things around any old way you like.  I prefer my taxes going to support inmates who might actually be able to get back into society.

[whiteman]

actually I've seen some where were it shows it is cheaper to keep them alive than put to death, I thought it was cheaper to kill them but it's not. I'll keep looking, it was the appeals for the death penalty inmates that drives the cost way up.

either way, i say keep on executing them. I listened to an interview a guy had with this guy and he showed no remorse or ever said he was sorry for what happened. The group even bragged about it that night at one of their brother or cousins.

[Skuzzy]

Wonderful thing about statistics.  They can be made to prove whatever you want.  Limit the number of appeals to three and what happens to the statistics?

Now, putting costs aside, putting down a rabid dog is still better than letting it run loose, even in a cage where it has a daily chance of getting free and killing someone.

[lasersailor184]

actually I've seen some where were it shows it is cheaper to keep them alive than put to death, I thought it was cheaper to kill them but it's not. I'll keep looking, it was the appeals for the death penalty inmates that drives the cost way up.

either way, i say keep on executing them. I listened to an interview a guy had with this guy and he showed no remorse or ever said he was sorry for what happened. The group even bragged about it that night at one of their brother or cousins.

It is more expensive to execute an inmate then it is to keep him for life.  That is based off the GIANT assumption that the inmate is allowed to appeal for 20 to 30 years.  That is 20 to 30 years of teams of Lawyers (who aren't known for being thrifty) on BOTH sides of the case ripping up million dollar bills like they were napkins.

It would not even be close to true if the appeals were only allowed to proceed until 1 year from conviction (upon which the killer will be executed, exactly).

[whiteman]

telling you what i read, it was more than i had ever seen saying the opposite. and again I'm all for stringing them up from a tree, not letting them sit in a cell.

[bcadoo]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Thou shall not kill.


I've lost a lot of faith in organized religion but that is one thing I will always agree on.  The death penalty makes us no better then the criminals.  It doesn't bring closure, it isn't 100% fool proof that we won't kill an innocent person, and the practice sickens me.

Actually the correct quote is: 'Thou shall not commit murder'

If you read the Bible there are plenty of times that God said "Kill 'em......kill 'em all!"

[bongaroo]

Wonderful thing about statistics.  They can be made to prove whatever you want.  Limit the number of appeals to three and what happens to the statistics?

Now, putting costs aside, putting down a rabid dog is still better than letting it run loose, even in a cage where it has a daily chance of getting free and killing someone.

So you'd be happy with the chances of an innocent being put to death by limiting the appeals process?  Heaven help you if your wrongly accused.

[bongaroo]

Actually the correct quote is: 'Thou shall not commit murder'

If you read the Bible there are plenty of times that God said "Kill 'em......kill 'em all!"

The Jesus I was taught to believe in as a child never once said "kill em all".  People telling me things like what you are saying really made me take a good long look at what I believe.

[Skuzzy]

Being accused and being found guilty of a crime are very different.  Those put on death row are typically not done via circumstantial evidence.

With DNA testing today, it is much easier to be sure of finding and prosecuting the criminal who actually did commit the crime.  Forensics have improved greatly in the last 5 years.

I want a limit to appeals to prevent the abuse of the appelate system that is occurring now.  Right now attorneys can without information with the sole purpose of being able to put forth an appeal if the current appeal fails.  You give them a hard limit and watch how fast all that information is disclosed.

We can play this game all day long.  The 'what if' is boundless.

What if I tripped going out to my car and cracked open my skull?
What if someone loses control of their car and crashes into my house killing my Wife and I?
What if the murderer gets off on a technicality and murders me?
ad infinitum

Would you be happy if we let the murderer go and he slaughtered your family?  Life w/o parole is meaningless in a judicial system where you have seemingly endless opportunities to appeal the court decision.

EDIT:  Let me make this simple for you.  I repsect your right to your opinion, but there is nothing you can say which will change my mind about the death penalty.  For me it is simple.  When the time comes that a human being ceases to act and/or reasonable a human being then it is time to remove that from society permanently.  Death is the best permanent solution I can come up with for those that fit in that category.

[bongaroo]

Well it's fun to see you'd like to get into it.  I guess I will start looking for my links to support my opinoins.

Also I like how you assume I want to see these people free.  I have never stated such.  Here's one reason I oppose the penalty:

I don't believe in the afterlife.  When you die, your dead.  Knowing that I'd much rather have someone rot in a jail cell than slowly rot in a coffin.

Another being that it is a final decision.  No whoops, sorry we killed you even though you didn't do anything wrong afterall.  Some lucky dude got let off death row recently after being proven innocent, I need to find the story but I'm pretty sure they were close to offing him.

So now that the its cheaper to kill him argument was sunk we've moved to a limit a man's chances when the decision is final argument.  Awesome.

[Skuzzy]

Glad you saw the light on the cost thing.

You want to keep them alive.  I don't.  Pretty much sums up the entire things doesn't it?  I do not see that changing.  So why bother with it?

So what is the next bait?

[Jackal1]

 I would toss in $5 to help cover the $85.00 for the drugs used in the lethal injection.  I bet that hat could be filled pretty quickly.

I got 5 spot for the cause also.