WTG Texas!!

[Rich46yo]

I myself love hearing a murderer got what was coming to him.

If it was up to me we'd still be frying them in the E-chair.

[bongaroo]

Glad you saw the light on the cost thing.

You want to keep them alive.  I don't.  Pretty much sums up the entire things doesn't it?  I do not see that changing.  So why bother with it?

So what is the next bait?

Wow, you really think I'm baiting and not just trying to argue the point?

Also I don't see how I "saw the light on the cost thing".  As of right now it is more expensive to kill a man than put him in jail for 75 years.  I've refuted your 3 appeals argument with the point that with the death penalty is too serious too not allow appeals.  Leaving us at disagreement, not baiting each other.  C'mon Skuzzy, don't just get all defensive about it.  I haven't once attempted to troll or de-rail the discussion.

[ghi]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Thou shall not kill.


I've lost a lot of faith in organized religion but that is one thing I will always agree on.  The death penalty makes us no better then the criminals.  It doesn't bring closure, it isn't 100% fool proof that we won't kill an innocent person, and the practice sickens me.

Agreed !
All the religions are against murder, doesn't matter if was done by a sick mind pshyco or a government execution.
As long as we don't know where we come from and where we go after death, i think it's better to follow the instructions given by GOD . I spent few months last year watching my mother dieing slowly after long cancer,few surgeries and chemotherapy, and reading this ,i'm thinking the natural death is way more painful than instant death by lethal injection.  Most of us chatting here are going to end in way more painful death than this monster criminal. Executions after wasting $$ 15 years on him, just make him another service , to leave quick and easy without long suffering.

[RATTFINK]

Being accused and being found guilty of a crime are very different.  Those put on death row are typically not done via circumstantial evidence.

With DNA testing today, it is much easier to be sure of finding and prosecuting the criminal who actually did commit the crime.  Forensics have improved greatly in the last 5 years.

I want a limit to appeals to prevent the abuse of the appelate system that is occurring now.  Right now attorneys can without information with the sole purpose of being able to put forth an appeal if the current appeal fails.  You give them a hard limit and watch how fast all that information is disclosed.

We can play this game all day long.  The 'what if' is boundless.

What if I tripped going out to my car and cracked open my skull?
What if someone loses control of their car and crashes into my house killing my Wife and I?
What if the murderer gets off on a technicality and murders me?
ad infinitum

Would you be happy if we let the murderer go and he slaughtered your family?  Life w/o parole is meaningless in a judicial system where you have seemingly endless opportunities to appeal the court decision.

EDIT:  Let me make this simple for you.  I repsect your right to your opinion, but there is nothing you can say which will change my mind about the death penalty.  For me it is simple.  When the time comes that a human being ceases to act and/or reasonable a human being then it is time to remove that from society permanently.  Death is the best permanent solution I can come up with for those that fit in that category.

"Hell, I like you, you can come over to my house and'...

[lasersailor184]

So you'd be happy with the chances of an innocent being put to death by limiting the appeals process?  Heaven help you if your wrongly accused.

If that logic stands, then you would need to free ALL CONVICTS.  God forbid you accidentally imprisoning an innocent man!

[USRanger]

A bullet or a rope is still the cheapest.  Hell, I'd do most of em myself for free.  Just doin' my part for the good tax payers of America.

P.S.  The father of any female that is raped and/or murdered should get first dibs.

[bongaroo]

If that logic stands, then you would need to free ALL CONVICTS.  God forbid you accidentally imprisoning an innocent man!

I don't see how you got that out of what I said. 

Innocent North Carolina Man Exonerated After 14 Years On Death Row (5/2/2008)

Levon "Bo" Jones Fifth Innocent Death Row Inmate Freed In Past 11 Months And 129th Since 1973

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: (212) 549-2582 or 2666; media@aclu.org

KENANSVILLE, NC – An innocent man who spent 14 years on North Carolina's death row after being wrongfully convicted for a 1987 murder will be released from prison today. Jones has been represented by American Civil Liberties Union Capital Punishment Project lawyers Cassandra Stubbs and Brian Stull, along with North Carolina attorney Ernest "Buddy" Connor.

Levon "Bo" Jones, an African-American man who has always maintained his innocence, was sentenced to death in 1993 for the murder of Leamon Grady, a white man. Jones is the fifth innocent death row inmate to be exonerated in the United States in the past 11 months, and the third innocent North Carolina death row inmate to be granted release in the past six months. He is the 129th death row exoneree since 1973.

"We never had any doubt about Bo Jones' innocence," said Connor. "We knew when we started the case that there were serious holes in the evidence. After we began seriously investigating the case, it completely unraveled."

A federal judge ordered Jones off death row in 2006 and overturned his conviction, declaring that the defense provided by Jones' initial defense attorneys was so poor that they missed critical evidence pointing to his innocence. After keeping him imprisoned in anticipation of a retrial, the Duplin County, N.C. District Attorney announced Thursday that the state was dropping all charges and Jones would be released.

The sole witness accusing Jones of the murder, Lovely Lorden, admitted in an affidavit filed last month that she "was certain that Bo did not have anything to do with Mr. Grady's murder" and that she did not know what happened the night Grady was murdered. A new trial had been set to begin May 12.

Jones' exoneration and release comes two weeks after a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Baze v. Rees upholding the three drug lethal injection method of capital punishment used in Kentucky. Other states have begun to lift a de facto national moratorium on the use of the death penalty.

"This case highlights the serious and rampant flaws inherent in the death penalty," Stubbs said. "A system that can't protect the innocent from conviction shouldn't gamble with life and death. This case – and those of the many other innocent exonerees – should give states pause about lifting moratoriums after the Baze decision."

Stull said there is a direct link between Jones' 14 years on death row and the quality of his first trial counsel.

"This case points out the problems with capital counsel in many parts of the country," he said. "Bo Jones's first trial lawyer never bothered to get the many conflicting statements of Lovely Lorden, let alone do the kind of investigation necessary in a first degree murder case. We will never know if Lorden would have admitted the truth earlier had the case been investigated and had she been adequately cross-examined."

Jones was represented in post-conviction by the North Carolina Center for Death Penalty Litigation, which persuaded the federal court to grant him a new trial.

Larry Lamb, a codefendant of Jones who has also always maintained his innocence, remains behind bars, serving a life sentence. Lamb turned down a plea offer of a six year sentence and was also convicted based on the testimony of Lorden. He plans to ask the newly formed North Carolina Innocence Inquiry Commission to review his case.

And there you have it.  An innocent man freed from death row.  But wait?!  14 years?  Crap, if we followed Skuzzy's advice we'd have killed an innocent man!

From arguments I'm seeing you all could care less I think.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

The original wording of that commandment was "thou shalt not commit murder". Read the rest of the Old Testament and you'll find that as a rule, punishment was swift, sure, and harsh.

[bongaroo]

Translations are tricky my friend.  Thou shall not kill is and was from my last Bible study (albeit 8 or more years ago) the accepted best translation.

So we come to:

And thats why Jesus came along. 

What would Jesus do?  Bet you 1,000 bucks it isn't put him to death.   

[lasersailor184]

The original wording of that commandment was "thou shalt not commit murder". Read the rest of the Old Testament and you'll find that as a rule, punishment was swift, sure, and harsh.

I was under the impression that it could also mean "Thou shalt not slaughter men"

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Translations are tricky my friend.  Thou shall not kill is and was from my last Bible study (albeit 8 or more years ago) the accepted best translation.

So we come to:

And thats why Jesus came along. 

What would Jesus do?  Bet you 1,000 bucks it isn't put him to death.   

From a Bible study? I'm talking about the original HEBREW writings of the OLD Testament.

[RATTFINK]

Let us not forget an "an eye for an eye" or for Evenhaim; "עין תחת עין"

[Sundowner]

Translations are tricky my friend.  Thou shall not kill is and was from my last Bible study (albeit 8 or more years ago) the accepted best translation.

 "Thou shall not kill."-Deu 5:17

This is the Hebrew word for "kill" in the passage:"ratsach"
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Deu&chapter=5&verse=17&version=KJV#17

This is the Strong's Concordance definition of the Hebrew word "ratsach".

    1) to murder, slay, kill

a) (Qal) to murder, slay

1) premeditated

2) accidental

3) as avenger

4) slayer (intentional) (participle)

b) (Niphal) to be slain

c) (Piel)

1) to murder, assassinate

2) murderer, assassin (participle)(subst)

d) (Pual) to be killed
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H07523&t=kjv

If there is any doubt as to what the Bible says regarding capitol punishment see:

Exodus 21:12 "He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death."

Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."

Regards,
Sun

[lyric1]

Translations are tricky my friend.  Thou shall not kill is and was from my last Bible study (albeit 8 or more years ago) the accepted best translation.

If your reading the king James version your right how ever it was translated wrong. It has been proved it was translated wrong yet they still wont correct it.

[bcadoo]

Translations are tricky my friend.  Thou shall not kill is and was from my last Bible study (albeit 8 or more years ago) the accepted best translation.

So we come to:

And thats why Jesus came along. 

What would Jesus do?  Bet you 1,000 bucks it isn't put him to death.   

You would lose the bet:

Numbers 35:30
Whoever kills any person [intentionally], the murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses; but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of one witness.