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Offline Elfie

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #375 on: August 11, 2008, 04:52:10 PM »
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This whole thing is a bit scary, the Russians "response" has been way too effective (and overwhelming) to be a hastily prepared reaction to Georgia and S. Ossetia's flare up.

Thats pretty much what I am thinking.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #376 on: August 11, 2008, 04:52:45 PM »
Quote from: Dnil on August 11, 2008, 04:45:41 PM
one step could be for Georgia to request a UN sanctioned no-fly zone over its own territory.  Im sure the UN would come up with some excuse not to do it but its one option.

Russia has veto power....not gonna happen.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #377 on: August 11, 2008, 04:53:28 PM »
Quote from: Maniac on August 11, 2008, 04:31:42 PM
Never tought i would say it but... Good speach Bush. Short but to the point.

I missed his speech....have a link?
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #378 on: August 11, 2008, 04:55:25 PM »
Quote from: Elfie on August 11, 2008, 04:53:28 PM
I missed his speech....have a link?

Saw it on the Telly, but im sure CNN has it up shortly.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #379 on: August 11, 2008, 04:55:45 PM »
UN is a no go. Russia would veto anything that it didn't want.

BBC reports Gori is not under Russian control and that Russian insertion into Georgia from the west has returned from where they came. Hope that's true.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #380 on: August 11, 2008, 05:02:55 PM »
Quote from: Maniac on August 11, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
Saw it on the Telly, but im sure CNN has it up shortly.

You're right, CNN has it up already.  Thanks. :)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/11/us.georgia/index.html
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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #381 on: August 11, 2008, 05:03:46 PM »
With economic sanctions and with supplying the Georgians with advanced weaponry. At least with effective AA weapons and anti-armor.

We could also threaten to speed up NATO acceptance for the other former Soviet states that wanted to join.

There is a NATO air base at Diyarbakir Turkey, about 300 miles from Georgia. There is a very large NATO base at Adana, about 600 miles away, that any aircraft in the USAF can stage out of. With the Turks you dont talk "stance" as much as you talk "price". Im assuming they arent to keen on letting US aircraft to stage on their territory to attack Russian forces in Georgia. But I honestly dont know.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #382 on: August 11, 2008, 05:09:45 PM »
I read somewhere that Georgians shot down some Tu-22m3 (Russia's advanced supersonic bomber).  Tu-22 availability is limited.

I wonder if Western supplied weapons played a role...
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Offline kamilyun

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #383 on: August 11, 2008, 05:29:11 PM »
Be interesting to see what happens if/when the Georgian troops in Iraq get flown back home.

I hope to Gawd that US planes don't get shot down or buzzed by Russian fighters...
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #384 on: August 11, 2008, 05:33:54 PM »
already flew them back.  c-17s it looked like.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #385 on: August 11, 2008, 05:35:20 PM »
This is weird. There is already a Wiki page on the '2008 South-Ossetia war'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war

It does have some good maps in it.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #386 on: August 11, 2008, 05:38:23 PM »
hmmmmm

Russian sources claim that among the Georgian soldiers killed during the assault on Tskhinvali, Russian forces found the corpses of black soldiers.[279] They allege that these individuals were mercenaries or foreign instructors. They previously reported that American military instructors were stationed at a large Georgian military installation in Gori.[280]
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #387 on: August 11, 2008, 05:43:17 PM »
Quote from: Elfie on August 11, 2008, 05:02:55 PM
You're right, CNN has it up already.  Thanks. :)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/11/us.georgia/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qab6gD2sINw

The quote on the CNN page is incomplete.  Bush said "Russia has invaded a sovereign, neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by it's people.  Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century." 

Why include the "democratic government" and "in the 21st century" qualifiers, and why was the latter so ominous-sounding?  (Listen to him say it...)  Smacks of NWO to me...   :noid
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #388 on: August 11, 2008, 06:01:26 PM »
You can dress up an evil empire in frilly clothes and its still, and always will be, an evil empire. Pragmatism dictates we treat the Russian government as civilized, but it would be stupid to actually believe it.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #389 on: August 11, 2008, 06:05:35 PM »
Quote from: bsdaddict on August 11, 2008, 05:43:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qab6gD2sINw

The quote on the CNN page is incomplete.  Bush said "Russia has invaded a sovereign, neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by it's people.  Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century." 

Why include the "democratic government" and "in the 21st century" qualifiers, and why was the latter so ominous-sounding?  (Listen to him say it...)  Smacks of NWO to me...   :noid

I believe it was carefully worded to differentiate the current conflict from the Iraq invasion -- Saddam was not elected.
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