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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #525 on: August 12, 2008, 04:33:35 PM »
Time to dust off the Tomcats. ;)
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #526 on: August 12, 2008, 04:36:29 PM »
Time to dust off the Tomcats. ;)

Probably, uncrate some new F-22's, to re-equip the georgian's. Or, maybe F-16's.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #527 on: August 12, 2008, 04:46:55 PM »
I have to appologize for not sifting through all of the "neener-neener" comments, but did anyone actually discuss the fact that the U.S. advisory role that exists in Georgia is basically an anti-terrorism training capability?  Our guys aren't there trying to re-equip and train the Georgians in full-scale, conventional warfare against the Russians.  Sometimes, as hard as it is to believe, we do have small-scale aspirations in some countries...
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #528 on: August 12, 2008, 05:00:30 PM »
I mentioned the chart with US bases before, they have my little country on the base list, while there are absolutely no US troops here for years.
There is an "open shop" for training, as well as the facilities for quick reaction for trouble, no matter if it's the RAF, the Norwegians, the Canadians or the US.
I think that the Russkies pretty well know this about Georgia, and anything implying the US or NATO gently pushing Georgia into the bear's cage is complete rubbish.
The Georgians had their domestic problems right under the bear's paw, and took their chances.
So now, it is for mankind to look back to WWI, and not let one small incident lead to the death of millions.
I'd like to see the Tomcats gathering dust and the SU's gathering rust, while me, Boroda, Dowding etc etc take a beer and shake our heads over the nonsense.
Maybe that's just me, but this opinion is definately not going to be the death of this thread.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #529 on: August 12, 2008, 05:07:55 PM »
Rich pretty much laid it out. That Putin is one sharp dude compared to the neo-clod we currently have in the white house. I can't see Obam outmanuvering him, though he will liklley have that strong, Crook County devious streak to draw upon. Don't know about McCain.

And Saakaschwili is a moron. You'd almost think he's a Putin plant given how poorly he handled this.


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Putin doesnt have internal politics or public opinion that he has to worry about. He doesnt have a congress he has to answer to. He doesnt have allies he has to cater to. You can call Bush a neo-clod as much as you want but even that is an expression of personal political opinion that Putin would laugh at if a Russian said it about him. Putin is a Dictator, or as close to one as a sham Democracy can dream up.

Its not Bushs fault we have stupidly convinced ourselves that Putin, or the Russians, are our friends. We did that on our own, or, with the help of our allies. George Bushs leadership has prevented another terror attack on our soil, along with the bravery of our troops, and those of our allies.

"We" are the ones who have to grow up and start looking at the world as realists. This is an old game, with an old enemy, and if NATO doesnt unify and get its act together we might be handing off a real nightmare world to our kids. Its childish to revert to selfish, domestic, political name calling and silly to blame all the worlds ills on George Bush. Bush was right to act unilaterally after 9/11. If he hadnt we'd still be pokeing holes in the air at the UN debating society, "No doubt you'll see a lot of such hot air being blown around concerning Georgia". We simply cant let all our national security decisions be made by popular world vote. You probably notice theres a lot less world condemnation over this brutal attack on pitiful Georgia then there was when we invaded Iraq, despite having 100 x more provocation.

Did Georgia try and kill a former Russian President? Did Georgia violate UN resolutions dozens of times? Did Georgia start two major wars each time invading a neighboring country in surprise attacks? Do you remember the world community screeching when America went after Saddam, an event he could have prevented by simply allowing UN inspectors to do their jobs. And do you hear the thunderous silence now?

This is the hypocritical anti-US world we live in. A world allows China to host the Olympics despite its Government sponsored brutality.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #530 on: August 12, 2008, 05:19:29 PM »
Putin tough? If he'd been really tough, he wouldn't have caved in to Cease-fire demands, and overrun all of Georgia when he had the chance.



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« Reply #531 on: August 12, 2008, 05:22:23 PM »
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #532 on: August 12, 2008, 05:37:12 PM »
..., while me, Boroda, Dowding etc etc take a beer and shake our heads over the nonsense.
Maybe that's just me, but this opinion is definately not going to be the death of this thread.

Yup. Cripes, that miserable old commie Boroda and I have been pummeling each other in here for what seems like forever... and when we're not talking politics we have blast comparing what we have in common. And, one of the things we have in common is a great love for head butting as well as passionate love for our homelands. Neither of us takes each other, or ourselves too seriously during these altercations... and they progress pretty much like they would if we were in each others company sharing a dank bottle of the crap he calls booze served in dirty glasses.

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BTW, an appreciative nod to the miserable commie martyr lackey...  heluva a troll this thread was, indeed.

We're anachronisms. Often ludicrous poster-boy caricatures of the systems that formed us as youths... part of the fun; but often bewildering for spectators. When that other guy chimed in with 'you know nothing of the russians, "they will nuke us!", I nearly fell off my chair laughing... and enjoyed immensely crushing the surrender monkey. But hey; I guess my sense of humor and appreciation for the bizarre comes from a frame of reference alien to others.

...and none of this impacts in the slightest my support for the Georgians and my disgust for the russian ploys used to excuse an inexcusable invasion of a neighboring sovereign democratic nation.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #533 on: August 12, 2008, 05:55:56 PM »
See Rule #2
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #534 on: August 12, 2008, 06:06:30 PM »
I disagree Rich46yo. There's been much more condemnation of Russia than the US and Iraq. The free world has condemned Russia - nobody talked about throwing the US & UK out of the G8 as they are doing with russia. I think sometimes Americans are guilty of developing a silo mentality, and like to think the world is against them. I think there is more support than you realize.

Compare and contrast the French response in this for instance - they were willing to fly their president into a war zone to broker a peace deal.
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« Reply #535 on: August 12, 2008, 06:08:44 PM »
Compare and contrast the French response in this for instance - they were willing to fly their president into a war zone to broker a peace deal.

I think there are more than a few here who would like to send our prez into a war zone too.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #536 on: August 12, 2008, 06:10:54 PM »
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #537 on: August 12, 2008, 06:15:05 PM »
I think there are more than a few here who would like to send our prez into a war zone too.

He's already done that.  IIRC, he served up turkey for the troops in Baghdad during Thanksgiving...
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #538 on: August 12, 2008, 06:15:48 PM »
I think sometimes Americans are guilty of developing a silo mentality, and like to think the world is against them.
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We don't like to see the world against us.. we're just jaundiced by guilt. I mean; we must be pretty bad, what; with 30 years of watching american flags and presidents burned in effigy on our TV's...

I think there are more than a few here who would like to send our prez into a war zone too.

Yup.

See.. we're conflicted, sensitive creatures, with the ability to make cockroaches kings of a 'brave new world'

Somebody tell the russians before they get you all incinerated.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #539 on: August 12, 2008, 06:23:24 PM »
I have to appologize for not sifting through all of the "neener-neener" comments, but did anyone actually discuss the fact that the U.S. advisory role that exists in Georgia is basically an anti-terrorism training capability?  Our guys aren't there trying to re-equip and train the Georgians in full-scale, conventional warfare against the Russians.  Sometimes, as hard as it is to believe, we do have small-scale aspirations in some countries...

This would explain something, Stoney, and give credance to some of Georgia's claims. If the Russian occupation forces' found the bodies' of American black servicemen, that would be in line with Georgia's original statement that they were simply going after the Ossetians' shelling the Georgian border side. The Americans' would be there to oversee and evaluate the Georgians' on their op. Otherwise, I wouldn't see U.S. advisors' near there, because I doubt they would wish to get involved in regular full-scale warfare.